Good game, with way more content than I was expecting. Graphics are very nice and can see the effort put into the eyes. Though sex mostly feels like going through the motions with a boring chick and that the MC just flops his cock out his suit pants just shows the level of care he actually has towards good sex.
I was hating being called a good master because I literally spanked Lin into Obedience. The BDSM aspects of the game leave alot to be desired and it bugged me that instead of just owning rope and learning to tie it was a outfit to buy each girl that they simply 'Put on' and then all we did was fuck, plus there are so many good ties but all we use is the karada (Rope harness) and that's not even a very practical tie it just looks okay. Ogasam control being a thing it's the least common play any submissive of mine has wanted. Moon's story was way more Bdsm than the dungeon is, which was kinda killed when she called MC over for a booty call and have to listen to her lifestory to get a blow job, it was like getting a terrible surprise for listening to her.
The story did get a little more intense for me going into this wanting to flap, I just felt like some of the events should have been before the sex and it's kinda weird that most girls Jump on the MC's cock without even a kiss.
August though very hot was a massive boner killer and I personally wouldn't have even bothered with her if I didn't run out of content. It being very dumb that the MC literally has a dungeon and that he fucks anything that looks his way couldn't be hidden, even if she was trying to overlook it the MC and her don't match. Everyone does trick her into curing the sickness so she is just like well I guess I need to marry him now. Like seriously by this point he has 6 girlfriends 7 if you include the Android, one that wants to stab bitches for getting to close. Ashley should definitely have let her know that the MC is getting shared enough.
Pregnancy would be fun to have as I was constantly trying to knock them all up, mainly Maria and Lin. But if it's completely story based and not a random knocking up it won't be as enjoyable.
Was weird when Kate's story ended as it was like oh I guess she didn't like me watching her piss. So an updated log to include all females would be nice.
Could totally see this game having the option to fix the elves problems with one simple but world Dominating factor, The Android (I called her Gypsy) knowing what being an outcast towards humanity is like could have the elves befriend her and simply becoming the hivemind they are worried about.
When will the next update be? I am interested enough that I am keen to know how this ends.
First and foremost, harem hotel is a story based game. While you can certainly just boot up the game to fap to repeatable events, sex is more of the cherry on top. I can understand why you would want a game that focuses more on the sexual aspect, but this game will have serious and intense moments in the story. I try not to make it go overboard, but you should expect these things in this game.
Spanking is pretty tame in comparison to what others would do, if you even choose that option. A part of why Lin likes you so much!
BDSM is a light theme in this game. A proper BDSM session would better be placed in a story event, but this game isn't really about a BDSM story. So, the BDSM stuff is mostly rougher, kinkier sex and not a true BDSM experience.
What sort of BDSM content would you like to see specifically? Perhaps if it can fit into the dungeon content, we can figure something out :)
As for the Kiss thing, fair enough. There could have been a better line of progression for many characters, but I didn't go that route. But actually, with Autumn I am doing a more traditional dating style since she's a conservative girl. You've had your first kiss already ;)
The dungeon is in the basement and isn't easily found, so Autumn hasn't found it. She doesn't go snooping around where she doesn't belong. Autumn definitely isn't at the point of wanting to marry anyone, in fact she wasn't even totally sure MC was being honest and admits she didn't believe it fully in an event. She partly let herself believe it because deep down she's horny. Ashley would also not do something like that, especially after her recent events. She's maturing a lot, and you should see this more and more as her story continues :)
Because of certain mechanics and the way I structure my game, pregnancy can only reasonably happen at the very end of everyone's story.
The next update should begin the planning phase then development phase in the next few weeks :)
I definitely enjoyed how the characters grew and even felt things for Maria as her hard life has lead her to believe no one wants her for more than a play thing. In such I spend several weeks not using her sexually and only boosting her Affection especially after the break up part.
I know these are you characters so I'm not going to disagree about what they would do so Ashley may not tell Autumn after her growth, but her pride for having such a nice partner gives me the feeling she would bring the subject up, probably not in a threatening way but would bring it up. And if the MC wants to actually be the good person he should tell Autumn sooner than later. Not knowing the full legal aspects of your world I can't say if marriage to multiple people is okay, but from the marriage game makes me believe it can only be one and that would definitely make a huge contribution to weather Autumn would be okay joining such a large Poly relationship.
Honestly go hard on the story as much as you need, just the sexual sections shouldn't have so much serious story beforehand, makes it hard to enjoy it and just throws the mood. Like sex with the elven queen should have been quite hot but having spent so much time in depressing situation made it not enjoyable (also I was expecting the others to use that time to make their move to attack her rather than actually have fun).
I will have to get back to you on the BDSM aspects as the story getting completed is definitely something more important.
Does Maria actually work at the Bar during the normal times of the day? I only saw her there during events.
Oh also I did have glitch an event trigger at the wrong time.
The femdom with Gypsy (Android) over Maria when it brings you back to the room and says you should go see how it's going, Maria's DNA test event started and after she was taken away and the MC returned to the hotel when I was able to select rooms again it cut back to finishing dominating Maria even though she way gone.
"August though very hot was a massive boner killer and I personally wouldn't have even bothered with her if I didn't run out of content."
ROTFLOL I know what you mean... Her name is Autumn, it's kinda telling that you couldn't be bothered to remember it :)
I disliked her personality as it was introduced, and I disliked her even more when she got to -1 affection because I didn't want Lin to become a stray dog that could be picked up by any Tom and Harry with a dick.
That said, her storyline is sort of interesting, and seriously, I am not willing to believe that she is actually that naive. It's more likely that she is not letting herself figure things out because she really wants to be bent over and spanked - figuratively, but probably also literally.
As for the rope and general lack of options... Bear in mind that Runey is not a big-budget developer; as far as I understand it (though I could be wrong) he's not a 3d artist himself: he uses preset assets and a poser-style toolset. Which means, he cannot really make whatever assets he needs, he is dependent on what the marketplace for his tools offers.
As I am sure you noticed, the value of the game is in the characters first and foremost, with the story coming second, and setting and scenes vying for third place.
Really, at this point rhe sex scenes almost feel like a way to sell you on the story, so that you can enjoy the characters. A good way, don't get me wrong, but about halfway through you get invested enough in the characters to actually care about what happens to them.
This is more than bloody Fallout 4 managet to get out of me, I'll tell you that for nothing.
I can definitely see her being a key point to the story if the plan is to go a passive route in getting Elves rights.
But in real I hate religion because these type of people always have a lot to say about my kink lifestyle. Always telling me about how I can free my life from Sin and such, which to my response is normally telling them my plans for the night ;)
I just think for her story to play out right the MC needs to have a very open and honest talk about his relationships then go from there, as to continue without isn't how poly relationships work.
A little offtop: I gues it is already a rule - first I see peoples commenting in "The Headmaster" and a week later I see them commenting here. Looks like there is something similar in these two games (probably quality of the story and characters background) :D
They also both look like they could be actual proper 3d games, if you miss the ren'py tag.. And after you download them you go "may as well give it a try". Next thing you know it's 4 AM... And you were supposed to be at work 20 hours ago.
Has this game been abandoned? I was only asking because the latest files I can find from this game are from 2018. Nearly 3 years ago. Are there any other updates, please?
Itch has the terrible habit of giving you the date for a recent update as "x days ago", so, when you look for the update date, you don't notice the update (because it's not in date format) and it looks like the file was last uploaded three years ago.
I don't know why so many sites and apps have taken to using "such and such ago", but I personally don't like it.
Though, admittedly, it's useful for sites that don't give you their time zone: at least you can try to figure it out looking at which point "x hours ago" becomes "hh;mm".
So I downloaded the game and got RAR to unpack the .zip but it says I don't have enough storage space, I have 3GB available, can someone please tell me how much space I need to unpack the .zip? (on android)
How big is the downloaded zip? Well, you need at least that much. Add another 20% for good measure, though that's probably overkill, since most of the game is compressed images, and those don't really compress any further.
Well... Technically, turning all the images, animations included, into 480p GIFs might make it possible to fit the entire game in 2GB or less. Seems like a lot of work to make the game look like something out of the 90s, mind.
It was largely a joke: 480p images with an 8bit color depth and animations of 5 to 10 frames each may or may not work, in a literal sense, but even if it did it wouldn't actually make sense. I can see someone trying though. And then everybody complaining about the shitty quality.
Fuck me sideways... 850*480 (480p in 16:9)*1/2(average compression for a lossless image)*30000 (approx number of images in the game)= ~6GB. That can't be right.
So... Finally got to the end. That was a lot of hours of gameplay. I am impressed.
I am, unfortunately, less impressed with the recent developments.
SPOILERS beyond this point.
You have been warned.
The first confusing thing is: why is Cornwall suddenly the bad guy? He starts as an Abraham Lincoln expy, but by the end of Maria's story we are supposed to hate him. Why?
Then, the further you go, the stranger the world gets. And by stranger I mean less belieavable. There is a difference between breaking into a random house and helping a slave escape and breaking into a military facility. That requires some heavy-duty SoD, I don't have a lot of that lying around.
Third, the MC seems to miss some rather obvious clues, and make some really weird choices. Granted, some of the missed clues are instrumental in saving his life (not figuring out the "divine punishment" meant he didn't call whatsherface out on it, so she didn't murderize him to keep him quiet), but some just end up in needless pain.
Fourth, speaking of needless pain, one would assume that the procedure to collect a rogue elf (or half-elf) would be a matter of course, performed by couple of random LEOs who will politely yet firmly inform that you have been hiding an escaped elf, and you need to follow them to answer some routine questions.
What one would not assume is a doctor making a production of having found out that one of their patients is an escaped slave. One would especially not expect said doctor to be able to *detain* the excaped slave and keep hold of them for any significant period of time. That's the job of law enforcement.
Indeed, the law seems to be worded as "collect the newly discovered slaves in the manner that is most personally enraging to any of their friends, but do not bother bringing them in for questioning".
At least we get to go home and call upon some powerful assets (Trenero and Cornwall) to fix the problem for us like a boss oh no wait, we are just calling to yell at them. WHY? With the richest man in the world on speed-dial, why wouldn't you simply ask for a favor? Considering he OWNS HIS WIFE he should be rather sympathetic.
By this point I had run out of heavy-duty SoD, and that broke the game for me. I hope that particular storyline will be revisited.
Hey. Probably Runey will give you more detailed explanation as author, but I will try to give some answers too (because all replyes you can find in game story).
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1. "Defender of elf rights" - is just a mask for Cornwall. He created few minor laws about rights of elves and just took the whole slave market under his hand. He do not care about elves at all. Half-elves still do not have any rights and Cornwall is ok with this. His "slave ownership recall" possibility is just to deal with slavers he do not like.
2. Breaking in VERY old military facility. No one cares about this storage and there where just some human guards (yes, not even android - that shows how indifirent are politics about this place).
3. Yeah... here I partialy agree. MC is too powerless... just a normal human, not even very smart (because in story with High Elf Queen it was very obvious from the very begining that she do not have any "magic" powers and just uses fairys; or in Maria story - for me it was very clear that there is a high possibility for Maria to be a half-elf, I started to suspect this from the moment when I saw dark elf for the first time, in dungeon event with Cornwall).
4. Sylanar is society with slavery. DNA test sometimes is the only way to find that someone is a half-elf. Also, let me remind you that elves have some rights, but half-elfs do not have any. So it is very normal for hospitals to have some robots and jails to keep half-elfs when they find them.
5. When they find an half-elf that is accompanied with human they have all reasons to suspect that he is one who broke the law and secretely kept half-elf. So MC is very lucky that he didnt got even more problems with Maria.
6. Trenero do not have any reasons to help MC with slavery problem (he even have hundreds of slaves himself and do not care much if they die because of his actions). Cornwall have a strong antypathy agains MC and will never help him with something like this. Also he is in church of slavery in Sylanar, so he will just say "this is common event, just buy her".
Well, here's hoping I will get an answer from the Big Guy :)
Nonetheless:
1. We don't see that though. What little I personally saw of Cornwall (and that was largely during his "challenge") gave me the impression that he actually cared about slaves. Granted, he cared in the way you would care about animals that are being abused, but it still seems better than considering them pieces of furniture. Half-elves having no rights sounds a lot like political sausagemaking to me: Cornwall proposed a sweeping bill, a lot of powerful people got upset that they were going to lose their toys, Cornwall scaled it down to exclude half-elves so that the bill could get through.
Cornwall DID NOT create the laws that caused Maria to lose her entire life. He DID NOT enslave Lin, he DID NOT turn Jin into a brainless sex addict, he DID NOT rape Nia until she turned into Elf Batman. He didn't even rape Sylvia in the middle of a fuck-a-ton challenge, FFS, if you want to paint him as an irredemable bad guy AT LEAST have him do SOMETHING bad.
At the absolute worst, from what we are shown, not told, he *might* be a greedy asshole whose motive in helping the elves was purely self-serving.
In other words, he's your average politician. Not even a particularly bad one.
The bottom line is: if Cornwall is to be treated like a villain, we need to see him do villainous things. Show, don't tell. I personally have not seen Cornwall act like a genuinely bad person, so it is jarring to me that the MC would use his connection to Trenero to get Cornwall's phone number just to YELL at him.
2. Laser tripwires, security cameras, volumetric sensors, bloody contact sensors! That stuff is cheap as dirt in a high-tech setting, and quickly goes beyond the ability of a single elf with barely the clothes on her back to defeat. Also, the software is being updated on a regular basis, so there is still some amount of work being done on them. Even if they were barely considered worth anything, they are still considered weapons. so a certain level of security is warranted.
3. He also seems to take certain things way too much in stride... Like Ashley pulling a knife on Maria. Or Ashley trying to kill Andy the Android. Or Ashley breaking into his room and then into his computer. Or Ashley threatening to kill him. Or... Ashley, really.
4. and 5. I don't buy it: even if it's just a single room that is generally used as a broom closet, just calling the cops and letting them deal with it seems far more realistic an approach. It's not like the half-elf in question knows they are a half elf, they went in for a genetic test of their own free will, how hard would it be to make them wait an extra fifteen minutes for the results while the cops arrive on site? Then the cops can take care of explaining the situation to the half-elf and their friends.
Even if half-elves are still considered furniture, they are furniture with a potentially influential prospective owner. The treatment of Maria at the hospital makes very little sense in context.
6. Kali. Lucia. Mariella. Three pretty good reasons for Trenero to help the MC, who is a potential son-in-law. This half-elf girl is a friend of his family, and the effort it would take him to help is pretty low: just make a couple of phone calls and see that *the procedure is smoothed over* so that Maria can be back at home before the evening is out. Even if the MC (and, don't forget, Kali and Lucia) were to ask for money, that's pocket change for him. You buy Nia with the money Kali spent on a DRESS.
But even then, let's say Trenero decides not to help the MC.
That is not the problem. If the author decides that Trenero is enough of an asshole not to help his daghters and potential son-in-law with a matter that costs him little to nothing, then that is the character of Trenero, and that is fine.
The problem is the MC not even trying. He's not trying to help Maria, he's just venting at people who have little to nothing to do with the entire mess.
The problem is that the MC is a self-conceited asshole who won't even go to the effort of ASKING two powerful people he personally knows to HELP HIS FRIEND WHO IS CURRENTLY BEING HELD CAPTIVE so that he can buy her before the day is over and at least help minimize *that* trauma.
He just yells at Trenero and threatens Cornwall.
I'm sure Cornwall is quaking in his boots. After he hurt the business of several rich, powerful, ruthless people with his elf-friendly laws, the idea of having an idealistic hotel manager with barely a buck to his name after him must keep Cornwall awake at night.
I don't like characters holding the idiot ball and not trying the obvious solution first. The solution doesn't have to WORK, it is FINE for Trenero to say he cannot help, it is FINE for Cornwall to say he cannot interfere with the proper procedures, it is FINE for the OTHER people who COULD potentially save Maria to turn out to be assholes.
It is not fine for the MC to be an asshole. Not and be praised for it, anyway.
Hmm, probably Runey had to keep the previous "first meeting" with Cornwall. This one meeting shows that he is looking on elves as on animals and nothing more. Also Cornwall very clearly see MC as a trouble because he doubt Cornwall methods and treat elfs as equals. But, ok, looks like for you "the head of slavery" who is actualy doing nothing good for elfs isnt enough to see him as a vilain. If we are looking from this point, then I think you even could like Putin (Russian president)... why, he never did anything bad with his own hands :D
As for Trenero... ok, it would be good if Runey could add the option to ask Trenero for help in this event. Just for blind peoples. I would never choose this option because I can see that he cares only about his own business. There is no way for him to decide to help even if Kali would asked him. And, ofcourse, if we ask Cornwall for help it can give him a very good reason to do some research about MC. He will find that MC now owns Nia and Sylvia. One very good known troublemaker and one that escaped from Cornwall himself. This will be a very good reason for Cornwall to restrict MC from slavery and recall all his elves.
Ashley... you know, she is tipycal yandere and this explains everything :D
4/5 - money make peoples very unlogical. They could call the police, but why if there is a very good law "the one who found an elf and reported becomes his master and can sell this elf freely". If doctor will call police, then police will come, take the elf and will claim ownership, doctor will get nothing for this.
P.S. Ok, I undarstand that we see things very differently here, no need for more disscusion. After all, I think Runey will come soon and will give some replyes ;)
1. The duly elected minister of slavery not helping the slaves does not make him a villain, no. He is just a normal politician. It would be different if he were advocating for removing slave rights, but not advocating to expand them does not make him evil. Throughout human history many people were slavers whom we would not call evil. Cornwall is self-serving, but regardless of motives he made the lives of elves better. As long as he does not actively endeavour to make somebody else's life worse, his karma is still in the positives.
2. Trenero seems to love his family well enough. We are repeatedly told that he's an asshole, but he comes off as a businessman more than anything. Spending half an hournmaking phone calls to make his daughter happy should not be beyond his ability to care, if only so that his wife will be more enthusiastic the following night. As for asking Cornwall for help... How is threatening him better than asking for his help? Either way we are in his sights, may as well try to get something out of it. And then we can call him an asshole and say that we hate him.
3. Ashley looks like a crazy stalker. If the MC is supposed to be your player character, as the author stated, and not just another character in the story, you should have the option to call her out on her BS. Drugging people against their will is not okay. Threatening people with knives is not okay. Attempted murder is very much not okay. Supposed her logic bomb had worked. Now Andy the Android is dead. Do we laugh and wave it off as Ashley being a yandere?
4. This is called making up excuses. The doctor says that we need to purchase Maria. Whom from? Her? Why? Is it finders keepers? If so we found her, and we should not need to buy her. Is it a government tax? If so there is no reason for the doctor to get extra money for holding her. Either there is a special reward for discovering the crime or there isn't, but surely what matters is who reported the crime. The doctor cannot be selling Maria because Maria does not legally belong to her. That is the whole crux of the matter, that half elves must be owned, and she does not have an owner. If changing that were as simple as saying "you are now mine", we could say that and be done with it.
I want the game to be internally consistent, because that makes for a better story. The more excuses Ihave to make up for its inconsistencies, the less I enjoy the story. Thus, I would like the author to take a moment to address those inconsistencies. I think it would make for a better story.
Similarly, I would like to be given some actual reasons to hate the villains. Being told that their reforms weren't comprehensive enough makes me think poorly of the speaker, not the supposed villain.
Except that maybe Tenno is worse than Cornwall as he has all neutered elves that he drains blood from to make replacement elves. Guess they are into that together in the fact Cornwall obtained them but draining blood while they sleep isn't at all okay. Like they get a better life? I couldn't imagine 1000 elves having a better life I could only imagine them in a massive factory with only have rest time to gain blood back.
Ashley ended up on the lower end of my list due to being fucking crazy and just wanting to pump out kids, but also be a doctor, bitch you want 12 kids that's going to take longer than any degree will.
1. As I said in another post, you haven't seen him at his worst. I can understand why you would be confused 100%, and this is intentional. I don't like making people bad for bad sake, they have reason. Without going into too much spoilers though, you'll have to take my word he's a greedy power hungry politician for now out of lore ;) In lore though, he's done some shitty things already. And had he given rights to half elves like he did to elves, things would have been better for Her.
2. You get two sides of the coin here, the personal side of Trenero, and the way the a part of the world views him. He is a decent loving father, but he's also a slave owning profiteer who hordes money instead of helping others. He's the richest man in the world, a mayor, holds monopolies over many products, and can personally send space ships to other planets in the solar system, but with all the power he has, all he's doing is trying to make more money, specifically off elvish labor because it's more profitable.
3. Ashley hasn't drugged or raped anyone against their will. MC is either willing or has the option to break out of it. While she has threatened people, she's not crazy enough to hurt them (you'll have to take my word for it I guess). And yes, you are meant to laugh that last part off, it was a joke.
4. You hit the nail on the head, it's finder's keeper's. Just like dogs or cats you find on the side of the street. If they don't have a collar, you're allowed to pick them up and adopt them. This is very much how slavery works in Syl'anar. If a slave isn't registered, they can be registered by ANYONE. So the doctor registered Her to the government. It's definitely bullshit, but all of it consistent in my opinion. The reason the culture / law works like this is because it systematically keeps every single elf a slave, and to be seen as an object to profit off of. If there's just a free slave laying around, why not pick it up and start making money? All to encourage slavery. (which is a very bad thing). Or maybe a better metaphor would be you being a farmer and spotting a wild cow. You would think to yourself "Oh hey, if I milked it, I could make money off it"
You are right to want to be shown why antagonists are bad, and you will. Cornwall is an often talked about but rarely seen character at the moment, and I do have some things up my sleeve that will make you think "Ohhh, yeah. Fuck this guy all the way."
In hopes of not coming off as an asshole, many of the issues you have are explained in game, which I hope I did a good job of doing, you may have just needed to have paid attention a bit more. There are also many cases of your questions being purposefully unanswered until they are written in the story. For example, there are cases of why Cornwall is a bad person, especially with his remade intro, but you haven't seen him at his worst. You've barely even met the dude.
Zexian has it mostly right, so I won't parrot what he said.
Cornwall is a morally dark grey character you haven't seen much of. He was never intended to be a good guy, he's a greedy power hungry politician.
The reason MC got mad at him is because Cornwall is slavery incarnate, he makes the laws regarding slavery, he controls the markets, and he can even take your slave away if he wanted to. Of course, he's not as important as the seat he sits on. Meaning the people need to change their way of thinking to stop electing a minister of slavery.
While you and others may have pieced things together, many also didn't. When you call MC stupid, you're calling many players stupid. If you caught it before the story told you, you should feel proud about that.
This is also explained in the story quite often - slaves are treated as pets. And these doctors really want to keep human genetics intact. In fact, if there are ANY unclaimed elves ANYWHERE, you can pick it up and register it. That's essentially what the doctors did, they stole Her because you never registered her as a slave.
Why Nia was able to do what she did was also explained in game, and she was actually caught if you remember. It wasn't a total success.
Trenero doesn't own his wife, there is no proper slavery outside of Syl'anar. Trenero also doesn't owe you anything and is trying to profit off of slavery. Cornwall is his friend. Trenero is also a fairly bad person for profiting off forced labor. This hasn't been shown off too much in game, but you may be able to piece it together with all that's already in.
I will point out, once more, that you did a fine job in making Cornwall an uncaring asshole. Nobody thinks he is a good guy (I believe), we know he is a greedy man who is only interested in his own personal gain. It's just not clear, at least to me, why the MC should hate him personally.
"Not helping" is the resting state of mankind. We are debating the finer points of a videogame while there are actual real live people in concentration camps, right now, being "reeducated" into a differnent culture and way of thinking. I am not going to call myself a good person, for I am aware of that and yet here I am, debating the finer points of a videogame, but i am also not going to hate myself for it.
And if I am not going to hate myself for it, I have a hard time figuring out why the MC would hate Cornwall for essentially doing the same thing.
Edit: Also, I know I have an advantage over the MC because of conservation of detail (if an author takes the time to spell something out in a story, it means something, whereas in real life a detail can, in fact, be meaningless), so just because something is obviious to me it doesn't have to be obvious to the MC (and vice versa), and I will say that making stupid choices doesn't necessarily mean that one is, in fact stupid.
However, some choices (and lack thereof) take on a different hue when subjected to fridge logic.
Andy the Android seemed genuinely upset that Ashley had tried to kill her, and Ashley seemed genuinely upset that it hadn't worked.
I like Ashley, she's proobably my favorite character after Lin, but the fact that she breaks into your room multiple times, effectively rapes you (asking forgiveness rather than permission, when talking about sex, is called rape), multiple times even, tries to roofie you, and even (ostensibly) tries to murder Andy the Android... It's too much.
Mostly because you don't have the option to call her out on each instance, and at least receive an apology. In particular, in the case of the attempted murder, she should make it clear that she knows Androids don't die to logic bombs, and it was, in fact, just a joke.
I myself have pointed out that the MC is a bit TOO MUCH of a bland character at times in the execution of the game, but I also understand why it's made that way, something that I'd say Runey has been very open about. I would however agree that there should be an OPTION for some sort of personality in his character, maybe by a bit more dialogue options or ways to alter his reactions to certain things so I will give you that. However, the part about him being stupid for not figuring out certain things or not doing what we might consider the "smart" option might be annoying but understandable from the perspective of trying to write the story. Since he, according to the dev, is supposed to be whoever the player imagines him to be, then he can't canonically figure things out until it's guaranteed that the player has, and since some players will take longer than others to piece it together, the safest bet is to just have him be out of the loop until the reveal happens in-game.
I didn't say he's stupid though, I said he seems to miss some obvious clues. Again, I realize that I have the advantage of conservation of detail working in my favor, and that the MC has actually spent days living and working and fucking his harem between one clue and the next, so they will not be as clear in his mind as they may be in mine.
The Fairy thing is a pretty strong example of conservation of detail: the author introduced this out-of-the-blue group of tiny people, and made sure we could get a lot of details about them, thus it must mean something important. The MC is being bombarded by the 24/7 news cycle, so what is and what isn't important may escape him.
However, the sheer risk of any part-elf whose parents are unknown turning out to be a half.elf (and therefore a roomba) should be pretty clear in his mind when he is so worried about his own child (with Lin) becoming somebody's roomba.
Blondie had a pretty strong opinion that Maria should not look into her parenthood. He should at least have had a vague sense of unease, and perhaps tried to convince Maria to wait a couple of days, while he teased some more details out of Blondie, who may very well answer vaguely that she heard stories about orphans turning out to be half-elves and being sold into slavery on the spot.
I can make up *some* excuses for this, but the fewer excuses I have to make up or the MC's behavior the better the story flows. Light SoD is pretty cheap, so handwaving some things is fine, but there is such a thing as the straw that broke the camel's back.
Take Lin's complete lack of cooking skills, for instance: she has *amazing* memory, and close to 300 years of either living on her own in the wild or working for human masters under her belt. How has she never learned how to cook?
That is actually lampshaded by the MC at the very beginning: 300 years and she never learned how to cook?!
We learn why later on: it was a sort of rebellion, possibly unconscious. When she says that she learned to cook because now she had good motivation, it implies that in the past she either had no motivation to learn or actually had some motivation NOT to learn.
Though frankly the entire thing with Lin going from "burns water" to "master chef" in three months or less makes me think that the entire "elves learn slowly" thing is blown way out of proportion. Maybe elves learn differently from humans, and human training doesn't work well on them, or perhaps the people who are trying to teach them treat them like slightly smarter monkeys and don't actually provide good training, or maybe Lin is just that exceptional.
But that is a thing I can easily make up excuses for - I just did after all. It can also be flipped into an additional example of unfounded prejudice, which is always good as part of worldbuilding.
The point is, having to make up *some* excuses is fine, you literally CANNOT explain EVERYTHING in a story. A main plot point depending on the MC missing a clue that was clearly laid out for the players to see, however, is pretty bad, because the players are now feeling railroaded.
Oh, and BTW, I keep saying "roomba" and "fridge", but let's not kid ourself: the actual corret words would be "realdoll" and "onahole". That Lin didn't get raped *once* in 300 years of slavery strains my SoD more than the drones theft. But sure, the author wanted Lin to be "pure" for us, so I'll take that as a gift from God (i.e., Runey) and not question it.
Do not get me wrong. I dont call MC stupid. He is just normal. Too normal to be MC if I can say so. Yes, he represents player, but when you are playing a game you expect to be a little more special than other characters in game. For now I feel that MC is absolutely powerless at everything. Or indifirent sometimes. If he is not great phisicaly and he is not smarter than everyone else I expected him to at least to have so called "the power of money". Even in situation with Maria - he didnt even bother to monitor the slavemarket by himself, he left it to Ellen and didnt even used his own money (I already had a lot of money at this moment and could pay any price, but MC just didnt even tryed to do this very small part by himself). It is like MC do not care at all. Most problems in this game girls solving on theyr own, MC is just somewhere around and do not do anything at all.
This is my only doubt about your game. Too powerless MC. It could be great if he could have a little more action, as when he encouraged Lin after fail with Syliath.
Personally, I think the fact that the MC didn't have to monitor the slave market and buy her was just a gameplay and story segregation mechanic, like Lin locking herself in her room while *also* loitering around in the lounge.
The story is that Maria gets home in a reasonable time frame, so having to wait a month to collect the funds breaks immersion worse than having Ellen do all the work. There may be other ways around this, but this seems like the easiest one. It should also be noted that the final Maria event is forced on you, and you cannot delay it, so having to find the money to buy Maria may seem like the game is punishing the player for no reason, if they are not in a good financial spot at the time.
Of course, we do have a ridiculously rich man on speed dial, and it would probably feel somewhat more empowering for the MC is we could call and ask him for help - as his potential son-in-law, or just because a friiend of his dauhter is now being sold as a slave.
Granted it wouldn't be us doing the work, but at least it would be us finding the solution.
It's also a cheap fix, since it doesn't really require any additional images, and it can even work to make Cornwell more of a villain (Trenero offers him money to forcibly take Maria from a bad master, Cornwell refuses because he actually thinks half-elves are worse than animals and should have no rights, so we have to wait uuntil maria is actually sold by her new mistress).
No, asking Trenero for help is not what I talked about. I want to see MC as more "usefull" man, not just decoration. I want to see Him as someone who actualy have a possibility to solve problems by himself. Not depanding on a rich father of his girlfriend or anything like this. To tell honestly, I absolutely do not like the idea to ask help from someone, specialy the guy like Trenero. And again, honestly, if there was a possibility to refuse to take this "10000$" from him in Kali's event I would definetely refuse.
Err.... You are basically describing a power fantasy, which is... Pretty much the opposite of what this game is about. The MC is a hotel manager, and has the money and power of a hotel manager - which is to say, somewhere between zilch and bupkis.
That is pretty much the entire premise, that you are a small man in a big world, trying to carve out a tiny slice of it for yourself and your girls. You are not going to be the next Trenero, I'll tell you that for nothing.
There is nothing wrong with wanting what you want, mind, it's just that it goes against the premise of *this* game. I wouldn't mind it either, of course, but I don't think it's ever going to happen. And I'm frankly not sure if it *should* happen, story-wise. It's like reading LotR and finding out midway through that Frodo can shoot lightning from his eyes. Cool as that would be, it doesn't make sense in context.
You work with the assets you have. Manager's assets are his slaves, his girls, and the connections that he and his girls have.
Trenero is a billionaire, and he still doesn't quite outright own even the city he's the Mayor of, let alone an entire continent. How much power can a hotel manager with less than 100k to his name really exert?
My take on the MC freeing Maria is: get on your knees and start begging. Because she's about to end up somebody's realdoll, and they are not going to sell her until she's properly "broken in".
Also: the story is that Maria gets home. Given the world Runey built, I guarantee that there are more than a few guys out there trawling the slave markets and looking for exactly the kind of merchandise Maria is: a human-looking half-elf who only found out about her heritage as an adult. And they are not looking to give her a cushy job as a receptionist.
Within 24 hours of finding herself on the open Market, Maria will be waking up to dick, and going to sleep to dick, with a smattering of beatings in-between, depending on how much time her master has. And he's sure to make some time, just to "teach it its place in the world".
Waiting for the player to put together the money is not a good idea, especially if we are being told that she doesn't get to designate a preferred home.
Ah, I see. Lets end this disscusion. I made it just as example of situation where MC had to do something by himself and you are telling why he couldnt. Ok. Im just realizing that Im talking with myself.
Lucky, we definetely have very different opinions about everything, so there is no point to continue. Lets just leave it for Runey. It is his story and he is creating what he thinks is right. We can like something or not, it is only our own problem.
I have found a bug or something? I switched from playing on the phone to playing on PC, I've finished every story form v0.11 so it was a good moment for me. After that I used cheat codes to finish all quests and progresses until the start of newest update. It worked like charm with every girl except for Ashley. She hangs around the hotel, her birthday event happened TWICE but I can't visit her in her room (it says that noone lives there yet). Can I do anything to change that? Or maybe somebody could post save file with all progress until patch 0.12?
Edit: Oh, also the code for Felicity and Emma doesn't work either :(
But most cheat codes worked properly. Even the code for Ashley's progress almost worked, I just can't visit her room and the only cheat code that doesn't work at all is the one for Emma and Felicity. Well, I guess I might just start from the beginning, I'll be able to see the new and remade scenes from beginnings
Some codes are free for all players to use (e.g., changename, truestory), some are not. For those codes that are not free and had been leaked prios to 0.12, you will find that they no longer work.
could you make it clearer which update we're on? perhaps saying 0.12.21 or 0.12.25 etc. it would make things a little less confusing, especially since you seem to be posting updates so frequently.
Hey, really enjoying the game, but im just wondering if there is a way to carry over progress that you make in one version to a new version whenever that comes out, as the game can be quite time intensive to play and get all the stuff, and I would much rather not have to do it all again when a new version comes out.
just copy and paste the log file from the old game. Find the folder where your old game is saved and look for a file that is titled "log", that file contains all of your saved data, now just copy it and paste it into the folder where the current version of the game is, after you extracted the game of course.
That is... Really not the case, at least for the latest version.
It may have been in the past (and so it may be the correct answer for the OP's request, depending on their version), but currently the log file only contains the output of the console for the latest session.
The saves are located in game/saves. Copying that folder *should* allow you to take your old saves to a new version of the game. This assumes compatibility, however, and that is largely (but not entirely) up to the author: significant changes may break compatibility, regardless of the author's wishes.
Each .save file is a zip archive containing, among other things, a file called "log", which may be how the game used to save the current status when only one save was allowed, assuming that was a thing. In the latest version you get a lot of save slots, however, and each of those is a separate file, so in the future moving your saves will require moving a folder, not a file.
He really cannot, it's a matter of technical limitations of the android system and the ren'py engine.
Simply put, the game is too big to fit in a single APK.
To work around this issue, you need to split the game into an engine with a "local storage access" permission flag (which you would put in the apk) and one or more content files, which the game will download from the internet on the first run. This is how giant mobile games like The Sims work.
Unfortunately, this requires a certain type of support from the game engine, as well as certain design choices to be made before you start making the game, not to mention some kind of internet storage for the data to be downloaded.
The bottom line is that it is not possible to simply make an APK by packaging the current game for android, but rather the game would have to be rewritten, potentially in an entirely different engine, at the cost of hundreds of man-hours.
So making new Apk almost the same as re-create the game from zero, and many component will removed to.. That is why impossible to make the Apk. I get it..
I used the app and the itch site but both are saying it is an invalid zip. Anyone know if I need to change settings or something? I was hoping I could download it through my itch account so updates would be easy.
Unfortunately this is the best alternative I have available. And just a reminder, without current compression the game would be over 10x it's current size.
Had no problems with the game, don't know what everyone else down below in the comments are crying about. I enjoyed it start to finish. Story rich with unique characters and plenty of sex. One of the better harem games, and one that took quite a while to get to the end.
Things seemed to be getting a little bit heated in the comment section, so to balance that out, I just want us all to take some time to appreciate the best line in the entire freaking game:
Much love Runey. Thank you for the fantastic game! I always keep coming back to check for updates. I think the story is great by the way. Tying things together, building realistic and believable characters who ACTUALLY HAVE AN OPINION on life and not just stay one way the whole way.
I like how the characters are going through life changing experiences and are gaining newfound outlooks. It keeps the game fresh and not stale. Don't listen to the other haters, even if they mask it as being "constructive".
You will NEVER be a great writer until you learn to accept criticism without acting like an angry, horny little child and do some personal reflection.
You are not required to change anything about your writing, but if all you ever do when someone challenges your work is throw a fit, you're always going to be an amateur. Hope this is nothing more than a hobby for you, because it's not going to be a career. Promise you.
Where does so much hate come from? If you do not like the game - you can just go and find any other game with a lot of sex, more simple and less serious. There are like a thousand games of such type. This one is unique.
The only one throwing a fit is you. You don't need to like the story aspects of the game. You can treat it like simple porn all you want. I share the same opinion with you that I tend to skip over the elf story stuff. However, Runey is trying to make a game that stands out from the average porn game, with unique story lines for each character and interesting world building. Based on a poll that Runey held, the vast majority of players enjoy the story elements of the game.
Just because Runey doesn't want to adhere to YOUR suggestions, it does not mean they're unable to accept criticism. This game wouldn't reach the point it's at today if it weren't for all the criticism that players have given it over the years.
The MST3K mantra has a problem: it basically tells you to take a work that could potentially be the object of advanced sociopolitical commentary and turn it into me like boobs.
Now, if the original work is at the level of me like boobs, that is fine and dandy. If the original work is trying to spark sociopolitical commentary, however, that is less fine and not quite as dandy.
Not arguing for the OP's position, mind, I'm just saying that you should only use the MST3k mantra if you think that the work is "me like boobs" level .
By last updates, the game "elf history" is becoming quite lame, while the other stories are quite good and can't complain.
The "elf drama/revolution" feels very non-related to the game itself, the game began as a "dating sim" alike game, but by any reason Runey42 made a twist to a drama/fight/politics story which feels very non-related to the hotel original story.
While some people may like the idea, I don't, as mentioned before its personal opinion, likely unpopular feedback but a good intended one.
If you're not interested in the elf stuff, that's fine. But Lin is the first main character you meet, and her first event sets up that you now own a slave, and she's worried who you're going to turn out to be, hoping her luck didn't run out. This has very much always been in the game, the shift is happening in focus. That was in the background, and now it's in the foreground.
I agree, elves been part of the "game topic" just like the "androids", but it felts like some characters and overall history changed way too much at last updates and doesn't fit them too much with previous narrative.
Lin for example, in very short time went from a submissive maid who was okay with "their reality", to a character who's mostly accusing everyone of elfphobes with inner hate. For Nia felts natural as her background is consistent.
As said before, I'm not saying it's a bad idea, but felts like the game is losing the "dating sim" thematic but becoming more like an action visual novel in order to achieve deep immersion on the main topics.
Hope my comment doesn't sound bad, my only intention is to give a constructive feedback :-)
I agree with you. It's not to be rude, only constructive, but the whole story isn't very interesting to me and in particular takes me out of it.
I'd much rather have more of a personal focus on Lin and her life than a wider focus on elves as a whole. That feels like it should be something optional, not the only way to further her story.
You did experience a story about Lin's personal life. That was the first parts of her story until recently. You've grown her into a good cook, she's fairly independent now, she's not so shy and is even the boss of the kitchen, her insecurities have been fixed and she's found the one person she wants to spend the rest of her life with. The only thing she wants now is a child with the MC, which she refuses to do unless that child will be treated equally.
If you don't want a serious story, this game isn't for you.
I was worried you'd respond like this. Your inability to take criticism isn't a good look for you. You don't have to agree, you certainly don't have to change your game for it, but if the best response you can give to my criticism is "if you don't want a serious story, this game isn't for you" about a game that's literally just based on fucking a bunch of women at once, you have something seriously disconnected in your brain.
You are not writing classical literature here, you're writing smut. I'm not criticizing that, I'm playing the smut like everyone else here, but you need some perspective desperately.
Lin was only okay with you being her master because you've been the best master she's ever had. MC treats Lin very equal and helps her with almost anything she needs.
Once Lin fell in love with MC, she said she would like to have a child with him, but she would never want to bring a half elf into this world because they have no rights. This happened quite a while ago, it was in the background because the focus was on her character (learning about her, fixing her, unlocking sex, etc). The slavery aspect of the world is in the foreground now because this is one of the last problems she has to deal with, but it's also one of the hardest. The rest I mentioned above has largely been solved and there's no point in going over the same story points over and over again.
Lin has never accused anyone of being an "elfphobe", I don't know where you're getting this.
Harem Hotel has never been only a dating sim. As it says in the description of this game: "Upgrade your hotel, build friendships with them, follow their stories, and train them."
While it certainly has dating sim themes, and will continue to have them, my goal for this game is more than just meeting a girl, fucking her, marrying her, and seeing the end screen.
Harem Hotel is a lot of things. Thematically it's a fantasy contemporary sci fi. Some events like Ashley's are emotional, some like Nia's are action packed. In the end, what this is, is my story.
I think the problem isn't that you're addressing the whole "slavery" thing, so much as making it a big part of her story. It's more than a little unbelievable that you and Lin are going to change history, not to mention a bit much for the focus of the game: a harem hotel.
I don't mean to be overly critical, but the story with Lin makes me want to approach it less because it gets to be a little overwhelming, when I'd rather just focus on her individual life and not the lives of every single elf in the game and how we can save them.
I mean this is a game where you're basically just getting your rocks off with every grown woman that walks into the hotel, it just seems like the focus should be a little less... revolutionary.
The focus of Harem Hotel has never only been "a hotel full of women you can fuck". That's certainly a part of it, but if you just want a fluffy game about anime women who are a bit too perfect there are plenty of games like that for you.
I have an interest in sociology, geography, politics, mental disorders, and the other themes you see in game. I don't want to make a game only about tits and ass, that's boring.
MC and Lin could never change history, that's in the past. Assuming you mean change Syl'anar, or the world, Lin and MC could never do that alone.
I've responded to this point in another comment, but focusing on her individual life happened a ton already. You will still definitely get to have 1 on 1 time with all of the characters, but there is a story to this game.
"The focus of Harem Hotel has never only been a hotel full of women you can fuck."
Oh dear god, you're delusional. It's a fucking porno game and it's named "Harem Hotel", how disconnected from reality are you that you don't see what you're making here?
"If you want tits and ass, go to pornhub."
I said I wanted more of a personal story, but do you actually think what you made here is anything other than a porno game? Really, are you actually this deluded? Take a look at yourself. You didn't use Honey Select, a literal Japanese porno game, as the basis for your own game because it was convenient, you used it because you wanted to have tits and ass in your game.
You know what? I really don't have time for someone this laughably dense. If you want to be taken seriously, you should start by not making porno games. Nothing about your writing convinces me you understand reality, which is fine because that's not why anyone's here (and you know it), but I guess it was silly of me to think you had a brain in that thick skull of yours.
Maybe when you stop jerking off to your own ego and start jerking off to your own game you'll clear your head for a minute, reread what you just said to me and realize how utterly ridiculous of a person you are and make some changes.
It's not this serious. Both sides have said their piece. Lunar, I respect your opinion AND Runey's, however, no one is perfect. If this is Runey's first game, it's a hell of a start. If it isn't, there's still places to go. Neither of you are better than each other. Look everybody involved here is mature myself included and everyone else in this thread. But no offense Lunar, there's more to life than this game. I understand your criticisms and I understand Runey's defense of the game and story, but critiquing somebody for the way they critique your criticism, if that makes sense, isn't the way to go about it. Regardless how everyone here feels we can at least agree that the basis of the game itself is good. If you like the game that's fine if you like the story that's fine. At the bare minimum please at least respect what is trying to be done and the least you can do is tolerate the direction the story is going. Matter of fact, you don't even have to do that. It's great that you're sharing your opinion and as earlier stated both sides of this argument have been voiced I'm not trying to make myself up here more important or knowledgeable in this topic because I guarantee I'm not and I'm not taking anybody's side. I'm just simply saying whether you're for or against the storyline or theme or whatever, at least appreciate the basis of the game. If you're just here for the sex that's fine. If you're not that's cool too. I'm not trying to draw ira from anybody and I have respect for you as a commenter by voicing your opinion in the threat and I have respect for the Creator because this is their effort. I'm not expecting everybody to be kind on the internet to each other because in reality that's impossible. I think there is pretty much everything to be said about this discussion that there can be so maybe it would be in everyone's interest to just take a step back for a minute and you want to talk about it I'm sure there's someone out there that would be willing to talk to you about it. There's a whole discord for discussing this game after all. and look I know I don't normally comment on here and I apologize for this very long reply, but if anybody reading this manages to actually care enough to make it down this far, have a tolerable amount of respect and as said earlier everyone and everything has flaws however there are some situations where going to only pick out the bad things the situation won't work. I'm going to be completely honest Lunar, I agree with some of the things you're saying but implying ego mania and saying someone has a thick skull just because they don't necessarily see completely eye to eye doesn't make either side look like the better option. I'm not trying to hold a United Nations conference here only reason so long is cuz I have a lot to say. I was going to post earlier but I had hoped by now the discussion would fizzle out either one way or the other, but in the end discussions like this are fruitful and critique is a good thing most of the time. But again if you want somebody to accept your criticism with open arms you have to treat them as an equal and not talk down on them every time. It's okay to chide people for things but going out of your way to make someone look dumb doesn't help anybody whether you're in the right or the wrong. I know I have again no place in this because I didn't start this discussion I'm not the Creator and I'm sure as hell probably not going to end it with this but conversation is a lot more fruitful when everyone is treated as equals. Yes this has some things that could be better but I'd imagine relatively speaking we're not too far into the entirety of the story. I'm glad that your voice is being heard for better or worse and I'm sure somebody here is going to either agree or vehemently disagree with one or multiple things that I've said here at the end of the day if we can see eye to eye on at least one thing or if we wind up disagreeing but can be least a tad bit polite, then everyone would be better off. To close this out because I know this is going to be overlooked most likely because of its length, Lunar, it's great that you're so passionate about your side and Runey is defending the work because as a creator of content I'd imagine that whether it's your first project or your 100th project you're still equally as protective. I know there's a lot of things on this thread and this entire page in general that highlight both the good and the bad about this but at the end of the day we can't see what the other person is thinking we can't feel what they're feeling. I'm sorry if that's a dense or stupid thing to say but in all honesty nobody really knows how another person feels and if you're passionate in your criticism, then by all means, be critical but don't be overtly critical to where it feels like you can't find anything good to say. If you're going to defend it then defend it; you can't give everything you've got one way or the other. Everybody can go about their lives myself included and we need not worry because if you want to play keep playing if you don't want to that's fine too. If you want to criticize every update I'm sure you're going to get some flack by the end of the day you're just voicing your opinion on the internet.
As for Runey, I think this game is going really well so far and I'm really sorry that you're receiving hell from people in this thread. And I don't know if it means much to you because pretty much everything good about this game has been said and most of the stuff that people would find to criticize about has been said, but at the end of the day you're a great storyteller with a lot of places to go if you continue to hone your craft and you're obviously great at designing games so seeing those two mesh is incredible especially in this way. As stated above I don't know how far into the "entire story" we are but it's nice to see the engine metaphorically get going and I await the surprises that I'm sure going to be here and things we may already know. Keep being you and I don't know if you've already been told this, but please continue making the game the way you want to make it. It's okay to listen to the fans but I pray that you don't go the route of some other game developers and give pieces of your soul just to listen to the people the play your game. I'll be honest I know I've seen it said here before but I came for the sex stayed for the story and both are equally as important and impactful so far this game is made by you so the end of the day the only person that can truly influence how this game goes direction wise is you. I personally love the way you're taking criticism because you're trying to maintain neutral ground which I don't know you personally so I can't speak to if that's how you are about everything but I understand from a Creator standpoint how you kind of take things like this and it doesn't feel good to be insulted it never does but you should more so take a hell of a lot of pride in the things you've done right and after you prioritize that then look back on what people say could be done differently. Set timer again but you don't really have to listen to anybody on this game if you want to make the game based off only things you like I'll still play it and I'm sure a lot of people will too if you want to listen to us that's cool just keep the aspect of you in it as long as you continue to be a supportive and well-rounded content creator then myself and a lot of other people in this community will continue to support you because I mean this I appreciate everything you do and I'm sorry if this is getting to becoming a cheesy supporting the Creator and backing the origin moment but I feel that people just absolutely dumping on you and your game isn't the way to go and a lot of this disrespect and perceived disrespect is completely unjustified. I'll be the first to tell you I don't normally get involved in Internet discussions whether positive or negative but in this case I had to because I don't want to see anything happen to you or the content that you put out. Because again this may sound cheesy but remember you're human Runey, and your mental well-being is JUST AS important as any direction this story goes. If Lunar wants to criticize they have every right to obviously and I'm not telling you what should or shouldn't be done, but I'm sure you've learned by this and probably other examples that not everybody is always going to have nice things to say and trust me you see on Twitter and discord I'm sure and patreon and here on itch the good far outweighs the bad and I personally would like it to continue that way because I feel like at the root of it all you're kind-hearted human and you're probably putting a lot of your emotions and sentiments into this game to go along with your effort. If I ever met you in public I'd be sure to tell you face to face what a damn good job you've been doing.
Let me to disagree with you, guys, waltercool and LunarD3ATH. This part of the story is very important. Slavery and principles of slavery were introduced from the very begining. MC for a long time ignored that fact and enjoyed his life as hotel manager. But this cant be ignored for all time. As a result, we have Maria story. Also, Cornwall have a possibility to recall slave ownership from any slaver at any time. Ok, lets imagine that Maria's story doesnt bring any sense to MC mind. What can happen next? Cornwall already have very strong antipathy against MC because of some incidents. Eventualy he will find that MC now own Sylvia. She is a running slave of Cornwall. How do you think what he will do. Easy, Cornwall will recall all slaves from MC: Lin, Sylvia, Nia and even Maria now. Plus, there is Ashley and her DNA never was confirmed for sure... who knows, maybe she is half-elf too. Do you realy think that MC can continue to ignore these possibilities and agree with everything that politicians will bring to him? Will he agree with losing Lin and Maria forever just because Cornwall has decided so? I dont think so.
Slavery problem has been bringed to light and now all main characters must do something with this. And, after all, MC and Lin are not the only people who are fighting against that sistem. Sooner or later there will be more. Revolutions doesnt begin randomly eventualy, someone must begin to do something and then many others will join.
Yes, this game has been created just as a porn game. But after all creator included some very strong story lines and now these lines must be somehow bringed to an logical end. Such logical event is revolution.
P.S. I know that my English is not perfect, so Im sorry for this.
This. Slavery was a core theme from the get-go, and most of the characters we meet are directly involved in it, whether one side or the other. The outcome of potential liberation effects so many main, side, background characters and even us the player, as well as the world the game takes place in.
Just because wandering into the shower one morning and boning whoever's there because you're horny isn't related to slavery, doesn't mean the game is separated from the story.
I can understand the point that waltercool and LunarD3ATH are making, but I still agree with you. The direction the story ended up taking was certainly not something I would've expected at the start, and I can see how some people might be disapponted by that particular storyline getting so much focus in a game like this.
Making a game about a harem hotel, if the interactions with cute girls and sex scenes were all the game had to offer, would get a bit boring after a while so some more emotional and engaging content will be necessary if the game is gonna be as long as it currently is. Lots of great VNs end up including that kind of "surprise plotlines", Lucky Paradox and Once in a lifetime are two that come to mind for example.
And the idea of the revolution being started by someone who's just an immigrant hotel manager is probably the most fascinating part to me, and there are examples in history of social change being accomplished despite the movement being started by "nobodies" so it's not that far-fetched as one might think.
When I first created Harem Hotel, I wasn't sure where this game would go, or even what skills I had. In my mind, before I released v0.1, this was mainly going to be a game about tits and ass. I quickly realized I liked making story though, and realized I was getting a lot of compliments on the story so I decided to focus on that.
If this game were just about interacting with the characters, and the end goal was to impregnate them and marry them, I could have ended this game by now. So I agree that it would get a bit boring. Instead, I'd like to make an interesting somewhat serious story and I'm so happy people are enjoying it, the growth has been insane :)
Every sort of criticism is obviously going to be subjective to some degree, but it seems like a lot of people sometimes forget what "constructive criticism" actually means. It isn't just expressing your opinion in a polite manner, it's explaining WHY you think the way you do.
In a political debate, you can't just calmly claim that your opponent is wrong without providing EVIDENCE for it. Then you have to agree on what the goal of the political issue is and how "success" should be measured, otherwise you'd just be going back and forth. In a book, movie, game and any sort of narrative story, the "goal" of it is to reach what the creator intended, and the "success" is measured through how well that is being delivered to the consumer. If the criticism is "I don't like this kind of content, the game should be different", then that's certainly a fair opinion but it's not constructive. However, saying "If this is what you want out of the story, then maybe this narrative structure, this pacing, this scene or this way of doing it wasn't the best, and here's why it doesn't work!"
You need a perimeter from which to measure the the success of the story, and that perimeter should always be what the creator wanted out of it. You may not like what that vision was, and that's fine.
Let's take a different criticism. "I feel like this new update was a bit too heavily focused on the serious aspects of the story, and it felt like it could've done better with a little bit more lighthearted content to balance out the emotional scenes. It would give the player some time to take in what they just read and get them mentally ready for the next heavy parts." I may not actually agree with that particular criticism myself, but it's articulated in such a way that it takes what the point of the entire work is and what the writer wants and gives a suggestion on how that goal could've been reached more effectively.
To sum it up, every criticism is going to be somewhat subjective but the point of CONSTRUCTIVE criticism is to make is as LEAST subjective as possible, by everyone agreeing on certain guidelines and measurements from which to approach it.
I appreciate the feedback, and I really appreciate you being coherent and honest. (Apologies for the other guy, I probably shouldn't have responded to him in the first place) As you could probably tell, your opinion was not very popular indeed, haha. (I didn't downvote you)
Lin is only one character though, the story isn't about an elvish revolution specifically. There's been 3 in the past, I could have covered one of those if that were the case.
I don't want to blatantly spoil something as big as the end goal yet since this game is still a work in progress, but you may be able to guess. This world oppresses all sorts of people, not just elves or half elves.
Elves are a big part of this game though, I won't lie. And the land of Syl'anar. It's sort of this fantasy continent on an otherwise earth-like planet. I thought I could do some fun things with that while being inspired by the real world.
Just as an idea, the shift in tone might be less jarring if the Lin, Savior of Elfkind storyline were locked behind the current Maria sucker punch storyline. It's not perfect, but it does provide a "well, yeah, they *would* try to do something after that". Though I don't know if would interfere with other things you have planned... On the plus side, it shouldn't break save compatibility.
I have been told that most people don't seem to find it quite as abrupt a shift as I did, however, so... YMMV.
MC enjoys fixing these broken girls and helping them through their life. Most issues that the first floor cast had in their personal lives has been fixed, except a major common thread they all have. That being the horrible world they live in. The system hurts each of them in one way or another, and this isn't something they can fix individually or even with just MC's help. Instead they need to group up and make change.
This serious part of the game is what I enjoy in your game the most. There is not just "a hotel full of dolls for sex". Every girl have her background, her story and heavy problems. Every girl diceded to stay in hotel because of very serious reasons. And, ofcourse, when I play I can associate myself with MC only because he realy cares about these girls and trying to help them in any possible way, trying to give them hope for the future and protect them, he took a full responsibility about those, who decided to stay in his hotel... even elfs who kidnaped him - they asked MC for help and this was enough for him to help. "How many laws I already broke?!" he asks... and still he is ready to do even more.
Thank you again for this amazing story! This is realy a shame that I cant support you with money. I want, but I cant... But still, Im looking forward for future updates to enjoy the story you will create :)
It's okay to disagree, no worries. I just gave an opinion, never intended to make my opinion as statement.
My critic was related about how the game dynamics changed on last updates from a "sim date" relationship game, into a world-issue/conflict, which sounds more like an action-based history. Assaulting, murdering or overall violence part doesn't make much sense if you consider the whole Player personality, who is clearly not a conflictive guy.
And I must disagree with you on the porn part. Not everyone plays date sim NSFW games for just "porn part". Otherwise we wouldn't be discussing about the "history part" lol.
It's okay if the dev wants this way, it's just a feedback. Zero intentions to start a blame war or anything else. If I'm playing a nice game, it's fair as users to provide a feedback when you consider something is feels off.
Ofcourse I dont blame you for your opinion. Everyone is free to tell what he wants... wtf, we are here on this site because we are perverts who masking theyr real names and looks to be free in our opinions :D
Man i cant describe how much i like this project the history and the Personality of the characters and the development are amusing to see, there are some things here and there i wish were different but its amazing none less.
Hello, thank you very much for this game! It is my top 1 for sure!
I have some doubts:
1) I've finished all the stories and activated the Violet code. Her story will advance somehow on the next updates, or it is better for me to continue using an older save, before I activated her?
2) Android character will return only on the next update? Or she will appear again on the actual one?
Hi! First off, I wanted to say how much I love this game. I expected some simple dating simulator vn, but it turned out to be so much more! Anyway, I'm having trouble progressing further. How do I raise Maria's friendship above 30 and android's above 31?
Launch JoiPlay, when your on the main menu click the "+" button on the bottom right. Enter game name, version and (optional) game icon.
On the "Executable File" click Choose and go to the location where you downloaded the game, when inside the unpacked game folder choose the .exe game file and click Choose. When all information looks correct, feel free to click on the "Add" button.
You're now done and good to go. Have fun! (You may also want to move saves around)
Launch JoiPlay, when your on the main menu click the "+" button on the bottom right. Enter game name, version and (optional) game icon.
On the "Executable File" click Choose and go to the location where you downloaded the game, when inside the unpacked game folder choose the .exe game file and click Choose. When all information looks correct, feel free to click on the "Add" button.
You're now done and good to go. Have fun! (You may also want to move saves around)
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Good game, with way more content than I was expecting. Graphics are very nice and can see the effort put into the eyes. Though sex mostly feels like going through the motions with a boring chick and that the MC just flops his cock out his suit pants just shows the level of care he actually has towards good sex.
I was hating being called a good master because I literally spanked Lin into Obedience. The BDSM aspects of the game leave alot to be desired and it bugged me that instead of just owning rope and learning to tie it was a outfit to buy each girl that they simply 'Put on' and then all we did was fuck, plus there are so many good ties but all we use is the karada (Rope harness) and that's not even a very practical tie it just looks okay. Ogasam control being a thing it's the least common play any submissive of mine has wanted. Moon's story was way more Bdsm than the dungeon is, which was kinda killed when she called MC over for a booty call and have to listen to her lifestory to get a blow job, it was like getting a terrible surprise for listening to her.
The story did get a little more intense for me going into this wanting to flap, I just felt like some of the events should have been before the sex and it's kinda weird that most girls Jump on the MC's cock without even a kiss.
August though very hot was a massive boner killer and I personally wouldn't have even bothered with her if I didn't run out of content. It being very dumb that the MC literally has a dungeon and that he fucks anything that looks his way couldn't be hidden, even if she was trying to overlook it the MC and her don't match. Everyone does trick her into curing the sickness so she is just like well I guess I need to marry him now. Like seriously by this point he has 6 girlfriends 7 if you include the Android, one that wants to stab bitches for getting to close. Ashley should definitely have let her know that the MC is getting shared enough.
Pregnancy would be fun to have as I was constantly trying to knock them all up, mainly Maria and Lin. But if it's completely story based and not a random knocking up it won't be as enjoyable.
Was weird when Kate's story ended as it was like oh I guess she didn't like me watching her piss. So an updated log to include all females would be nice.
Could totally see this game having the option to fix the elves problems with one simple but world Dominating factor, The Android (I called her Gypsy) knowing what being an outcast towards humanity is like could have the elves befriend her and simply becoming the hivemind they are worried about.
When will the next update be? I am interested enough that I am keen to know how this ends.
Side note - You managed to make me laugh a few times and that's honestly pretty hard to do, Well done and keep up the Great work!
Thank you!
First and foremost, harem hotel is a story based game. While you can certainly just boot up the game to fap to repeatable events, sex is more of the cherry on top. I can understand why you would want a game that focuses more on the sexual aspect, but this game will have serious and intense moments in the story. I try not to make it go overboard, but you should expect these things in this game.
Spanking is pretty tame in comparison to what others would do, if you even choose that option. A part of why Lin likes you so much!
BDSM is a light theme in this game. A proper BDSM session would better be placed in a story event, but this game isn't really about a BDSM story. So, the BDSM stuff is mostly rougher, kinkier sex and not a true BDSM experience.
What sort of BDSM content would you like to see specifically? Perhaps if it can fit into the dungeon content, we can figure something out :)
As for the Kiss thing, fair enough. There could have been a better line of progression for many characters, but I didn't go that route. But actually, with Autumn I am doing a more traditional dating style since she's a conservative girl. You've had your first kiss already ;)
The dungeon is in the basement and isn't easily found, so Autumn hasn't found it. She doesn't go snooping around where she doesn't belong.
Autumn definitely isn't at the point of wanting to marry anyone, in fact she wasn't even totally sure MC was being honest and admits she didn't believe it fully in an event. She partly let herself believe it because deep down she's horny.
Ashley would also not do something like that, especially after her recent events. She's maturing a lot, and you should see this more and more as her story continues :)
Because of certain mechanics and the way I structure my game, pregnancy can only reasonably happen at the very end of everyone's story.
The next update should begin the planning phase then development phase in the next few weeks :)
Thank you for the reply.
I definitely enjoyed how the characters grew and even felt things for Maria as her hard life has lead her to believe no one wants her for more than a play thing. In such I spend several weeks not using her sexually and only boosting her Affection especially after the break up part.
I know these are you characters so I'm not going to disagree about what they would do so Ashley may not tell Autumn after her growth, but her pride for having such a nice partner gives me the feeling she would bring the subject up, probably not in a threatening way but would bring it up. And if the MC wants to actually be the good person he should tell Autumn sooner than later. Not knowing the full legal aspects of your world I can't say if marriage to multiple people is okay, but from the marriage game makes me believe it can only be one and that would definitely make a huge contribution to weather Autumn would be okay joining such a large Poly relationship.
Honestly go hard on the story as much as you need, just the sexual sections shouldn't have so much serious story beforehand, makes it hard to enjoy it and just throws the mood. Like sex with the elven queen should have been quite hot but having spent so much time in depressing situation made it not enjoyable (also I was expecting the others to use that time to make their move to attack her rather than actually have fun).
I will have to get back to you on the BDSM aspects as the story getting completed is definitely something more important.
Does Maria actually work at the Bar during the normal times of the day? I only saw her there during events.
Oh also I did have glitch an event trigger at the wrong time.
The femdom with Gypsy (Android) over Maria when it brings you back to the room and says you should go see how it's going, Maria's DNA test event started and after she was taken away and the MC returned to the hotel when I was able to select rooms again it cut back to finishing dominating Maria even though she way gone.
Hmm, can you send me a picture of what the screen/dialog looks like directly before the error?
"August though very hot was a massive boner killer and I personally wouldn't have even bothered with her if I didn't run out of content."
ROTFLOL I know what you mean... Her name is Autumn, it's kinda telling that you couldn't be bothered to remember it :)
I disliked her personality as it was introduced, and I disliked her even more when she got to -1 affection because I didn't want Lin to become a stray dog that could be picked up by any Tom and Harry with a dick.
That said, her storyline is sort of interesting, and seriously, I am not willing to believe that she is actually that naive. It's more likely that she is not letting herself figure things out because she really wants to be bent over and spanked - figuratively, but probably also literally.
As for the rope and general lack of options... Bear in mind that Runey is not a big-budget developer; as far as I understand it (though I could be wrong) he's not a 3d artist himself: he uses preset assets and a poser-style toolset. Which means, he cannot really make whatever assets he needs, he is dependent on what the marketplace for his tools offers.
As I am sure you noticed, the value of the game is in the characters first and foremost, with the story coming second, and setting and scenes vying for third place.
Really, at this point rhe sex scenes almost feel like a way to sell you on the story, so that you can enjoy the characters. A good way, don't get me wrong, but about halfway through you get invested enough in the characters to actually care about what happens to them.
This is more than bloody Fallout 4 managet to get out of me, I'll tell you that for nothing.
I can definitely see her being a key point to the story if the plan is to go a passive route in getting Elves rights.
But in real I hate religion because these type of people always have a lot to say about my kink lifestyle. Always telling me about how I can free my life from Sin and such, which to my response is normally telling them my plans for the night ;)
I just think for her story to play out right the MC needs to have a very open and honest talk about his relationships then go from there, as to continue without isn't how poly relationships work.
At some point we will have to, she cannot become part of the family if she doesn't accept her sister-wives.
Maybe let's get her addicted to sex first :P
A little offtop: I gues it is already a rule - first I see peoples commenting in "The Headmaster" and a week later I see them commenting here. Looks like there is something similar in these two games (probably quality of the story and characters background) :D
They also both look like they could be actual proper 3d games, if you miss the ren'py tag.. And after you download them you go "may as well give it a try". Next thing you know it's 4 AM... And you were supposed to be at work 20 hours ago.
Sooooo true! XD
4am? That's nothing I honestly played these two for 18 hours straight. It was lunch time before I realised.
I guess having the combination of gaming and porn addiction will do that.
Has this game been abandoned? I was only asking because the latest files I can find from this game are from 2018. Nearly 3 years ago. Are there any other updates, please?
Got updated earlier this month
OK Thanks. I think I have that update.
OK Thanks. I think I have that update.
You're looking at when the game was first launched.
Itch has the terrible habit of giving you the date for a recent update as "x days ago", so, when you look for the update date, you don't notice the update (because it's not in date format) and it looks like the file was last uploaded three years ago.
I don't know why so many sites and apps have taken to using "such and such ago", but I personally don't like it.
Though, admittedly, it's useful for sites that don't give you their time zone: at least you can try to figure it out looking at which point "x hours ago" becomes "hh;mm".
So I downloaded the game and got RAR to unpack the .zip but it says I don't have enough storage space, I have 3GB available, can someone please tell me how much space I need to unpack the .zip? (on android)
How big is the downloaded zip? Well, you need at least that much. Add another 20% for good measure, though that's probably overkill, since most of the game is compressed images, and those don't really compress any further.
Ok thanks bro :)
I see the way for downloading on android changed, all is good I can work with that but if I may ask, why did it change lol?
Because of size. The size of the game is too big to make it apk now. As I understood, limit for apk is 2GB.
And yes, game is already compressed (original size is 60+ GB), so there is no way to compress more.
Well... Technically, turning all the images, animations included, into 480p GIFs might make it possible to fit the entire game in 2GB or less. Seems like a lot of work to make the game look like something out of the 90s, mind.
The images have already been compressed to hell, that's why I couldn't continue. Any more compression and the images would be blobby messes.
It was largely a joke: 480p images with an 8bit color depth and animations of 5 to 10 frames each may or may not work, in a literal sense, but even if it did it wouldn't actually make sense. I can see someone trying though. And then everybody complaining about the shitty quality.
Fuck me sideways... 850*480 (480p in 16:9)*1/2(average compression for a lossless image)*30000 (approx number of images in the game)= ~6GB. That can't be right.
Ah I see! I mean I have no problem with that I just didnt understand how any of that works. Thanks🙂
So... Finally got to the end. That was a lot of hours of gameplay. I am impressed.
I am, unfortunately, less impressed with the recent developments.
SPOILERS beyond this point.
You have been warned.
The first confusing thing is: why is Cornwall suddenly the bad guy? He starts as an Abraham Lincoln expy, but by the end of Maria's story we are supposed to hate him. Why?
Then, the further you go, the stranger the world gets. And by stranger I mean less belieavable. There is a difference between breaking into a random house and helping a slave escape and breaking into a military facility. That requires some heavy-duty SoD, I don't have a lot of that lying around.
Third, the MC seems to miss some rather obvious clues, and make some really weird choices. Granted, some of the missed clues are instrumental in saving his life (not figuring out the "divine punishment" meant he didn't call whatsherface out on it, so she didn't murderize him to keep him quiet), but some just end up in needless pain.
Fourth, speaking of needless pain, one would assume that the procedure to collect a rogue elf (or half-elf) would be a matter of course, performed by couple of random LEOs who will politely yet firmly inform that you have been hiding an escaped elf, and you need to follow them to answer some routine questions.
What one would not assume is a doctor making a production of having found out that one of their patients is an escaped slave. One would especially not expect said doctor to be able to *detain* the excaped slave and keep hold of them for any significant period of time. That's the job of law enforcement.
Indeed, the law seems to be worded as "collect the newly discovered slaves in the manner that is most personally enraging to any of their friends, but do not bother bringing them in for questioning".
At least we get to go home and call upon some powerful assets (Trenero and Cornwall) to fix the problem for us like a boss oh no wait, we are just calling to yell at them. WHY? With the richest man in the world on speed-dial, why wouldn't you simply ask for a favor? Considering he OWNS HIS WIFE he should be rather sympathetic.
By this point I had run out of heavy-duty SoD, and that broke the game for me. I hope that particular storyline will be revisited.
Hey. Probably Runey will give you more detailed explanation as author, but I will try to give some answers too (because all replyes you can find in game story).
{SPOILERS BELOW}
1. "Defender of elf rights" - is just a mask for Cornwall. He created few minor laws about rights of elves and just took the whole slave market under his hand. He do not care about elves at all. Half-elves still do not have any rights and Cornwall is ok with this. His "slave ownership recall" possibility is just to deal with slavers he do not like.
2. Breaking in VERY old military facility. No one cares about this storage and there where just some human guards (yes, not even android - that shows how indifirent are politics about this place).
3. Yeah... here I partialy agree. MC is too powerless... just a normal human, not even very smart (because in story with High Elf Queen it was very obvious from the very begining that she do not have any "magic" powers and just uses fairys; or in Maria story - for me it was very clear that there is a high possibility for Maria to be a half-elf, I started to suspect this from the moment when I saw dark elf for the first time, in dungeon event with Cornwall).
4. Sylanar is society with slavery. DNA test sometimes is the only way to find that someone is a half-elf. Also, let me remind you that elves have some rights, but half-elfs do not have any. So it is very normal for hospitals to have some robots and jails to keep half-elfs when they find them.
5. When they find an half-elf that is accompanied with human they have all reasons to suspect that he is one who broke the law and secretely kept half-elf. So MC is very lucky that he didnt got even more problems with Maria.
6. Trenero do not have any reasons to help MC with slavery problem (he even have hundreds of slaves himself and do not care much if they die because of his actions). Cornwall have a strong antypathy agains MC and will never help him with something like this. Also he is in church of slavery in Sylanar, so he will just say "this is common event, just buy her".
I hope this helps.
P.S. Sorry for my imperfect English.
Well, here's hoping I will get an answer from the Big Guy :)
Nonetheless:
1. We don't see that though. What little I personally saw of Cornwall (and that was largely during his "challenge") gave me the impression that he actually cared about slaves. Granted, he cared in the way you would care about animals that are being abused, but it still seems better than considering them pieces of furniture. Half-elves having no rights sounds a lot like political sausagemaking to me: Cornwall proposed a sweeping bill, a lot of powerful people got upset that they were going to lose their toys, Cornwall scaled it down to exclude half-elves so that the bill could get through.
Cornwall DID NOT create the laws that caused Maria to lose her entire life. He DID NOT enslave Lin, he DID NOT turn Jin into a brainless sex addict, he DID NOT rape Nia until she turned into Elf Batman. He didn't even rape Sylvia in the middle of a fuck-a-ton challenge, FFS, if you want to paint him as an irredemable bad guy AT LEAST have him do SOMETHING bad.
At the absolute worst, from what we are shown, not told, he *might* be a greedy asshole whose motive in helping the elves was purely self-serving.
In other words, he's your average politician. Not even a particularly bad one.
The bottom line is: if Cornwall is to be treated like a villain, we need to see him do villainous things. Show, don't tell. I personally have not seen Cornwall act like a genuinely bad person, so it is jarring to me that the MC would use his connection to Trenero to get Cornwall's phone number just to YELL at him.
2. Laser tripwires, security cameras, volumetric sensors, bloody contact sensors! That stuff is cheap as dirt in a high-tech setting, and quickly goes beyond the ability of a single elf with barely the clothes on her back to defeat. Also, the software is being updated on a regular basis, so there is still some amount of work being done on them. Even if they were barely considered worth anything, they are still considered weapons. so a certain level of security is warranted.
3. He also seems to take certain things way too much in stride... Like Ashley pulling a knife on Maria. Or Ashley trying to kill Andy the Android. Or Ashley breaking into his room and then into his computer. Or Ashley threatening to kill him. Or... Ashley, really.
4. and 5. I don't buy it: even if it's just a single room that is generally used as a broom closet, just calling the cops and letting them deal with it seems far more realistic an approach. It's not like the half-elf in question knows they are a half elf, they went in for a genetic test of their own free will, how hard would it be to make them wait an extra fifteen minutes for the results while the cops arrive on site? Then the cops can take care of explaining the situation to the half-elf and their friends.
Even if half-elves are still considered furniture, they are furniture with a potentially influential prospective owner. The treatment of Maria at the hospital makes very little sense in context.
6. Kali. Lucia. Mariella. Three pretty good reasons for Trenero to help the MC, who is a potential son-in-law. This half-elf girl is a friend of his family, and the effort it would take him to help is pretty low: just make a couple of phone calls and see that *the procedure is smoothed over* so that Maria can be back at home before the evening is out. Even if the MC (and, don't forget, Kali and Lucia) were to ask for money, that's pocket change for him. You buy Nia with the money Kali spent on a DRESS.
But even then, let's say Trenero decides not to help the MC.
That is not the problem. If the author decides that Trenero is enough of an asshole not to help his daghters and potential son-in-law with a matter that costs him little to nothing, then that is the character of Trenero, and that is fine.
The problem is the MC not even trying. He's not trying to help Maria, he's just venting at people who have little to nothing to do with the entire mess.
The problem is that the MC is a self-conceited asshole who won't even go to the effort of ASKING two powerful people he personally knows to HELP HIS FRIEND WHO IS CURRENTLY BEING HELD CAPTIVE so that he can buy her before the day is over and at least help minimize *that* trauma.
He just yells at Trenero and threatens Cornwall.
I'm sure Cornwall is quaking in his boots. After he hurt the business of several rich, powerful, ruthless people with his elf-friendly laws, the idea of having an idealistic hotel manager with barely a buck to his name after him must keep Cornwall awake at night.
I don't like characters holding the idiot ball and not trying the obvious solution first. The solution doesn't have to WORK, it is FINE for Trenero to say he cannot help, it is FINE for Cornwall to say he cannot interfere with the proper procedures, it is FINE for the OTHER people who COULD potentially save Maria to turn out to be assholes.
It is not fine for the MC to be an asshole. Not and be praised for it, anyway.
P.S. Oy vey, typos away.
Hmm, probably Runey had to keep the previous "first meeting" with Cornwall. This one meeting shows that he is looking on elves as on animals and nothing more. Also Cornwall very clearly see MC as a trouble because he doubt Cornwall methods and treat elfs as equals. But, ok, looks like for you "the head of slavery" who is actualy doing nothing good for elfs isnt enough to see him as a vilain. If we are looking from this point, then I think you even could like Putin (Russian president)... why, he never did anything bad with his own hands :D
As for Trenero... ok, it would be good if Runey could add the option to ask Trenero for help in this event. Just for blind peoples. I would never choose this option because I can see that he cares only about his own business. There is no way for him to decide to help even if Kali would asked him. And, ofcourse, if we ask Cornwall for help it can give him a very good reason to do some research about MC. He will find that MC now owns Nia and Sylvia. One very good known troublemaker and one that escaped from Cornwall himself. This will be a very good reason for Cornwall to restrict MC from slavery and recall all his elves.
Ashley... you know, she is tipycal yandere and this explains everything :D
4/5 - money make peoples very unlogical. They could call the police, but why if there is a very good law "the one who found an elf and reported becomes his master and can sell this elf freely". If doctor will call police, then police will come, take the elf and will claim ownership, doctor will get nothing for this.
P.S. Ok, I undarstand that we see things very differently here, no need for more disscusion. After all, I think Runey will come soon and will give some replyes ;)
1. The duly elected minister of slavery not helping the slaves does not make him a villain, no. He is just a normal politician. It would be different if he were advocating for removing slave rights, but not advocating to expand them does not make him evil. Throughout human history many people were slavers whom we would not call evil. Cornwall is self-serving, but regardless of motives he made the lives of elves better. As long as he does not actively endeavour to make somebody else's life worse, his karma is still in the positives.
2. Trenero seems to love his family well enough. We are repeatedly told that he's an asshole, but he comes off as a businessman more than anything. Spending half an hournmaking phone calls to make his daughter happy should not be beyond his ability to care, if only so that his wife will be more enthusiastic the following night. As for asking Cornwall for help... How is threatening him better than asking for his help? Either way we are in his sights, may as well try to get something out of it. And then we can call him an asshole and say that we hate him.
3. Ashley looks like a crazy stalker. If the MC is supposed to be your player character, as the author stated, and not just another character in the story, you should have the option to call her out on her BS. Drugging people against their will is not okay. Threatening people with knives is not okay. Attempted murder is very much not okay. Supposed her logic bomb had worked. Now Andy the Android is dead. Do we laugh and wave it off as Ashley being a yandere?
4. This is called making up excuses. The doctor says that we need to purchase Maria. Whom from? Her? Why? Is it finders keepers? If so we found her, and we should not need to buy her. Is it a government tax? If so there is no reason for the doctor to get extra money for holding her. Either there is a special reward for discovering the crime or there isn't, but surely what matters is who reported the crime. The doctor cannot be selling Maria because Maria does not legally belong to her. That is the whole crux of the matter, that half elves must be owned, and she does not have an owner. If changing that were as simple as saying "you are now mine", we could say that and be done with it.
I want the game to be internally consistent, because that makes for a better story. The more excuses Ihave to make up for its inconsistencies, the less I enjoy the story. Thus, I would like the author to take a moment to address those inconsistencies. I think it would make for a better story.
Similarly, I would like to be given some actual reasons to hate the villains. Being told that their reforms weren't comprehensive enough makes me think poorly of the speaker, not the supposed villain.
I completely agree.
Except that maybe Tenno is worse than Cornwall as he has all neutered elves that he drains blood from to make replacement elves. Guess they are into that together in the fact Cornwall obtained them but draining blood while they sleep isn't at all okay. Like they get a better life? I couldn't imagine 1000 elves having a better life I could only imagine them in a massive factory with only have rest time to gain blood back.
Ashley ended up on the lower end of my list due to being fucking crazy and just wanting to pump out kids, but also be a doctor, bitch you want 12 kids that's going to take longer than any degree will.
1. As I said in another post, you haven't seen him at his worst. I can understand why you would be confused 100%, and this is intentional. I don't like making people bad for bad sake, they have reason. Without going into too much spoilers though, you'll have to take my word he's a greedy power hungry politician for now out of lore ;)
In lore though, he's done some shitty things already. And had he given rights to half elves like he did to elves, things would have been better for Her.
2. You get two sides of the coin here, the personal side of Trenero, and the way the a part of the world views him. He is a decent loving father, but he's also a slave owning profiteer who hordes money instead of helping others. He's the richest man in the world, a mayor, holds monopolies over many products, and can personally send space ships to other planets in the solar system, but with all the power he has, all he's doing is trying to make more money, specifically off elvish labor because it's more profitable.
3. Ashley hasn't drugged or raped anyone against their will. MC is either willing or has the option to break out of it. While she has threatened people, she's not crazy enough to hurt them (you'll have to take my word for it I guess). And yes, you are meant to laugh that last part off, it was a joke.
4. You hit the nail on the head, it's finder's keeper's. Just like dogs or cats you find on the side of the street. If they don't have a collar, you're allowed to pick them up and adopt them. This is very much how slavery works in Syl'anar. If a slave isn't registered, they can be registered by ANYONE. So the doctor registered Her to the government. It's definitely bullshit, but all of it consistent in my opinion.
The reason the culture / law works like this is because it systematically keeps every single elf a slave, and to be seen as an object to profit off of. If there's just a free slave laying around, why not pick it up and start making money? All to encourage slavery. (which is a very bad thing).
Or maybe a better metaphor would be you being a farmer and spotting a wild cow. You would think to yourself "Oh hey, if I milked it, I could make money off it"
You are right to want to be shown why antagonists are bad, and you will. Cornwall is an often talked about but rarely seen character at the moment, and I do have some things up my sleeve that will make you think "Ohhh, yeah. Fuck this guy all the way."
In hopes of not coming off as an asshole, many of the issues you have are explained in game, which I hope I did a good job of doing, you may have just needed to have paid attention a bit more. There are also many cases of your questions being purposefully unanswered until they are written in the story. For example, there are cases of why Cornwall is a bad person, especially with his remade intro, but you haven't seen him at his worst. You've barely even met the dude.
Zexian has it mostly right, so I won't parrot what he said.
Cornwall is a morally dark grey character you haven't seen much of. He was never intended to be a good guy, he's a greedy power hungry politician.
The reason MC got mad at him is because Cornwall is slavery incarnate, he makes the laws regarding slavery, he controls the markets, and he can even take your slave away if he wanted to. Of course, he's not as important as the seat he sits on. Meaning the people need to change their way of thinking to stop electing a minister of slavery.
While you and others may have pieced things together, many also didn't. When you call MC stupid, you're calling many players stupid. If you caught it before the story told you, you should feel proud about that.
This is also explained in the story quite often - slaves are treated as pets. And these doctors really want to keep human genetics intact. In fact, if there are ANY unclaimed elves ANYWHERE, you can pick it up and register it. That's essentially what the doctors did, they stole Her because you never registered her as a slave.
Why Nia was able to do what she did was also explained in game, and she was actually caught if you remember. It wasn't a total success.
Trenero doesn't own his wife, there is no proper slavery outside of Syl'anar. Trenero also doesn't owe you anything and is trying to profit off of slavery. Cornwall is his friend. Trenero is also a fairly bad person for profiting off forced labor. This hasn't been shown off too much in game, but you may be able to piece it together with all that's already in.
I will point out, once more, that you did a fine job in making Cornwall an uncaring asshole. Nobody thinks he is a good guy (I believe), we know he is a greedy man who is only interested in his own personal gain. It's just not clear, at least to me, why the MC should hate him personally.
"Not helping" is the resting state of mankind. We are debating the finer points of a videogame while there are actual real live people in concentration camps, right now, being "reeducated" into a differnent culture and way of thinking. I am not going to call myself a good person, for I am aware of that and yet here I am, debating the finer points of a videogame, but i am also not going to hate myself for it.
And if I am not going to hate myself for it, I have a hard time figuring out why the MC would hate Cornwall for essentially doing the same thing.
Edit: Also, I know I have an advantage over the MC because of conservation of detail (if an author takes the time to spell something out in a story, it means something, whereas in real life a detail can, in fact, be meaningless), so just because something is obviious to me it doesn't have to be obvious to the MC (and vice versa), and I will say that making stupid choices doesn't necessarily mean that one is, in fact stupid.
However, some choices (and lack thereof) take on a different hue when subjected to fridge logic.
Andy the Android seemed genuinely upset that Ashley had tried to kill her, and Ashley seemed genuinely upset that it hadn't worked.
I like Ashley, she's proobably my favorite character after Lin, but the fact that she breaks into your room multiple times, effectively rapes you (asking forgiveness rather than permission, when talking about sex, is called rape), multiple times even, tries to roofie you, and even (ostensibly) tries to murder Andy the Android... It's too much.
Mostly because you don't have the option to call her out on each instance, and at least receive an apology. In particular, in the case of the attempted murder, she should make it clear that she knows Androids don't die to logic bombs, and it was, in fact, just a joke.
I myself have pointed out that the MC is a bit TOO MUCH of a bland character at times in the execution of the game, but I also understand why it's made that way, something that I'd say Runey has been very open about. I would however agree that there should be an OPTION for some sort of personality in his character, maybe by a bit more dialogue options or ways to alter his reactions to certain things so I will give you that. However, the part about him being stupid for not figuring out certain things or not doing what we might consider the "smart" option might be annoying but understandable from the perspective of trying to write the story. Since he, according to the dev, is supposed to be whoever the player imagines him to be, then he can't canonically figure things out until it's guaranteed that the player has, and since some players will take longer than others to piece it together, the safest bet is to just have him be out of the loop until the reveal happens in-game.
I didn't say he's stupid though, I said he seems to miss some obvious clues. Again, I realize that I have the advantage of conservation of detail working in my favor, and that the MC has actually spent days living and working and fucking his harem between one clue and the next, so they will not be as clear in his mind as they may be in mine.
The Fairy thing is a pretty strong example of conservation of detail: the author introduced this out-of-the-blue group of tiny people, and made sure we could get a lot of details about them, thus it must mean something important. The MC is being bombarded by the 24/7 news cycle, so what is and what isn't important may escape him.
However, the sheer risk of any part-elf whose parents are unknown turning out to be a half.elf (and therefore a roomba) should be pretty clear in his mind when he is so worried about his own child (with Lin) becoming somebody's roomba.
Blondie had a pretty strong opinion that Maria should not look into her parenthood. He should at least have had a vague sense of unease, and perhaps tried to convince Maria to wait a couple of days, while he teased some more details out of Blondie, who may very well answer vaguely that she heard stories about orphans turning out to be half-elves and being sold into slavery on the spot.
I can make up *some* excuses for this, but the fewer excuses I have to make up or the MC's behavior the better the story flows. Light SoD is pretty cheap, so handwaving some things is fine, but there is such a thing as the straw that broke the camel's back.
Take Lin's complete lack of cooking skills, for instance: she has *amazing* memory, and close to 300 years of either living on her own in the wild or working for human masters under her belt. How has she never learned how to cook?
That is actually lampshaded by the MC at the very beginning: 300 years and she never learned how to cook?!
We learn why later on: it was a sort of rebellion, possibly unconscious. When she says that she learned to cook because now she had good motivation, it implies that in the past she either had no motivation to learn or actually had some motivation NOT to learn.
Though frankly the entire thing with Lin going from "burns water" to "master chef" in three months or less makes me think that the entire "elves learn slowly" thing is blown way out of proportion. Maybe elves learn differently from humans, and human training doesn't work well on them, or perhaps the people who are trying to teach them treat them like slightly smarter monkeys and don't actually provide good training, or maybe Lin is just that exceptional.
But that is a thing I can easily make up excuses for - I just did after all. It can also be flipped into an additional example of unfounded prejudice, which is always good as part of worldbuilding.
The point is, having to make up *some* excuses is fine, you literally CANNOT explain EVERYTHING in a story. A main plot point depending on the MC missing a clue that was clearly laid out for the players to see, however, is pretty bad, because the players are now feeling railroaded.
Oh, and BTW, I keep saying "roomba" and "fridge", but let's not kid ourself: the actual corret words would be "realdoll" and "onahole". That Lin didn't get raped *once* in 300 years of slavery strains my SoD more than the drones theft. But sure, the author wanted Lin to be "pure" for us, so I'll take that as a gift from God (i.e., Runey) and not question it.
Do not get me wrong. I dont call MC stupid. He is just normal. Too normal to be MC if I can say so. Yes, he represents player, but when you are playing a game you expect to be a little more special than other characters in game. For now I feel that MC is absolutely powerless at everything. Or indifirent sometimes. If he is not great phisicaly and he is not smarter than everyone else I expected him to at least to have so called "the power of money". Even in situation with Maria - he didnt even bother to monitor the slavemarket by himself, he left it to Ellen and didnt even used his own money (I already had a lot of money at this moment and could pay any price, but MC just didnt even tryed to do this very small part by himself). It is like MC do not care at all. Most problems in this game girls solving on theyr own, MC is just somewhere around and do not do anything at all.
This is my only doubt about your game. Too powerless MC. It could be great if he could have a little more action, as when he encouraged Lin after fail with Syliath.
Personally, I think the fact that the MC didn't have to monitor the slave market and buy her was just a gameplay and story segregation mechanic, like Lin locking herself in her room while *also* loitering around in the lounge.
The story is that Maria gets home in a reasonable time frame, so having to wait a month to collect the funds breaks immersion worse than having Ellen do all the work. There may be other ways around this, but this seems like the easiest one. It should also be noted that the final Maria event is forced on you, and you cannot delay it, so having to find the money to buy Maria may seem like the game is punishing the player for no reason, if they are not in a good financial spot at the time.
Of course, we do have a ridiculously rich man on speed dial, and it would probably feel somewhat more empowering for the MC is we could call and ask him for help - as his potential son-in-law, or just because a friiend of his dauhter is now being sold as a slave.
Granted it wouldn't be us doing the work, but at least it would be us finding the solution.
It's also a cheap fix, since it doesn't really require any additional images, and it can even work to make Cornwell more of a villain (Trenero offers him money to forcibly take Maria from a bad master, Cornwell refuses because he actually thinks half-elves are worse than animals and should have no rights, so we have to wait uuntil maria is actually sold by her new mistress).
I hope Runey will consider it.
No, asking Trenero for help is not what I talked about. I want to see MC as more "usefull" man, not just decoration. I want to see Him as someone who actualy have a possibility to solve problems by himself. Not depanding on a rich father of his girlfriend or anything like this. To tell honestly, I absolutely do not like the idea to ask help from someone, specialy the guy like Trenero. And again, honestly, if there was a possibility to refuse to take this "10000$" from him in Kali's event I would definetely refuse.
Err.... You are basically describing a power fantasy, which is... Pretty much the opposite of what this game is about. The MC is a hotel manager, and has the money and power of a hotel manager - which is to say, somewhere between zilch and bupkis.
That is pretty much the entire premise, that you are a small man in a big world, trying to carve out a tiny slice of it for yourself and your girls. You are not going to be the next Trenero, I'll tell you that for nothing.
There is nothing wrong with wanting what you want, mind, it's just that it goes against the premise of *this* game. I wouldn't mind it either, of course, but I don't think it's ever going to happen. And I'm frankly not sure if it *should* happen, story-wise. It's like reading LotR and finding out midway through that Frodo can shoot lightning from his eyes. Cool as that would be, it doesn't make sense in context.
You work with the assets you have. Manager's assets are his slaves, his girls, and the connections that he and his girls have.
Trenero is a billionaire, and he still doesn't quite outright own even the city he's the Mayor of, let alone an entire continent. How much power can a hotel manager with less than 100k to his name really exert?
My take on the MC freeing Maria is: get on your knees and start begging. Because she's about to end up somebody's realdoll, and they are not going to sell her until she's properly "broken in".
Also: the story is that Maria gets home. Given the world Runey built, I guarantee that there are more than a few guys out there trawling the slave markets and looking for exactly the kind of merchandise Maria is: a human-looking half-elf who only found out about her heritage as an adult. And they are not looking to give her a cushy job as a receptionist.
Within 24 hours of finding herself on the open Market, Maria will be waking up to dick, and going to sleep to dick, with a smattering of beatings in-between, depending on how much time her master has. And he's sure to make some time, just to "teach it its place in the world".
Waiting for the player to put together the money is not a good idea, especially if we are being told that she doesn't get to designate a preferred home.
Ah, I see. Lets end this disscusion. I made it just as example of situation where MC had to do something by himself and you are telling why he couldnt. Ok. Im just realizing that Im talking with myself.
Lucky, we definetely have very different opinions about everything, so there is no point to continue. Lets just leave it for Runey. It is his story and he is creating what he thinks is right. We can like something or not, it is only our own problem.
I have found a bug or something? I switched from playing on the phone to playing on PC, I've finished every story form v0.11 so it was a good moment for me. After that I used cheat codes to finish all quests and progresses until the start of newest update. It worked like charm with every girl except for Ashley. She hangs around the hotel, her birthday event happened TWICE but I can't visit her in her room (it says that noone lives there yet). Can I do anything to change that? Or maybe somebody could post save file with all progress until patch 0.12?
Edit: Oh, also the code for Felicity and Emma doesn't work either :(
In 0.12 old codes do not work at all. Now cheat function is for patrons only.
So the author released a different version on his Patreon?
But most cheat codes worked properly. Even the code for Ashley's progress almost worked, I just can't visit her room and the only cheat code that doesn't work at all is the one for Emma and Felicity. Well, I guess I might just start from the beginning, I'll be able to see the new and remade scenes from beginnings
Some codes are free for all players to use (e.g., changename, truestory), some are not. For those codes that are not free and had been leaked prios to 0.12, you will find that they no longer work.
could you make it clearer which update we're on? perhaps saying 0.12.21 or 0.12.25 etc. it would make things a little less confusing, especially since you seem to be posting updates so frequently.
When you click the "download now" button, it tells you which version you're downloading.
Hey, really enjoying the game, but im just wondering if there is a way to carry over progress that you make in one version to a new version whenever that comes out, as the game can be quite time intensive to play and get all the stuff, and I would much rather not have to do it all again when a new version comes out.
just copy and paste the log file from the old game. Find the folder where your old game is saved and look for a file that is titled "log", that file contains all of your saved data, now just copy it and paste it into the folder where the current version of the game is, after you extracted the game of course.
That is... Really not the case, at least for the latest version.
It may have been in the past (and so it may be the correct answer for the OP's request, depending on their version), but currently the log file only contains the output of the console for the latest session.
The saves are located in game/saves. Copying that folder *should* allow you to take your old saves to a new version of the game. This assumes compatibility, however, and that is largely (but not entirely) up to the author: significant changes may break compatibility, regardless of the author's wishes.
Each .save file is a zip archive containing, among other things, a file called "log", which may be how the game used to save the current status when only one save was allowed, assuming that was a thing. In the latest version you get a lot of save slots, however, and each of those is a separate file, so in the future moving your saves will require moving a folder, not a file.
It worked for me the last time I tried it, that's all I know.
Please make it easier for android..
To open game, save, load, control, and some crash..
Can't you make the .Apk please ?
Dont you think I didnt follow your steps 'how to play on android'..
I already did all, download, extract, ect.. but it didnt work, everytime I click Start Game, it force close..
After that, I cannot use my saved data, so I need to play from day 1..
He really cannot, it's a matter of technical limitations of the android system and the ren'py engine.
Simply put, the game is too big to fit in a single APK.
To work around this issue, you need to split the game into an engine with a "local storage access" permission flag (which you would put in the apk) and one or more content files, which the game will download from the internet on the first run. This is how giant mobile games like The Sims work.
Unfortunately, this requires a certain type of support from the game engine, as well as certain design choices to be made before you start making the game, not to mention some kind of internet storage for the data to be downloaded.
The bottom line is that it is not possible to simply make an APK by packaging the current game for android, but rather the game would have to be rewritten, potentially in an entirely different engine, at the cost of hundreds of man-hours.
Ohh, I see..
So making new Apk almost the same as re-create the game from zero, and many component will removed to.. That is why impossible to make the Apk. I get it..
Thank you..
When I launch the game, its display many errors, such as; "File missing", "Couldn't find image location"..
I will try delete the folder, and try extract it, hope the problem is the extract from .zip..
I used the app and the itch site but both are saying it is an invalid zip. Anyone know if I need to change settings or something? I was hoping I could download it through my itch account so updates would be easy.
Don't use the app, it's buggy.
Please Update Soon for This Game.. I Like So Much This Game.. I playing This Game Since Versi 0.1. Please Update Soon...
Thank You..
Dude, I get it we're all addicted, but he released the latest version, like, a week ago.
It's going to take some time before he has he content for another update.
Okay Dude, I understand. Thank You..
how i load my save game with joiplay?
Move your saves to extracted folder of pc version
Is there any option for playing by android
Joiplay
thanks
Anyone else think Kali looks like Alex from Modern Family?
Never heard of them.
I kinda see it. Never really thought about it till you mentioned it
Very vague resemblance.
i hope you can add an apk version of the new update.
Read the bottom of this page please. Right above the download button.
umm if it's not too much trouble maybe you could somehow make a compressed apk? for us low devices.
Game is already compressed. The original size is 60+ GB.
oh! seems like i really need a cp with alot of storage..
Man I love this game but sadly now that there is no apk download I cannot continue to play.
6Gb download (pc version), and trying to play through a 3rd party app is not feasible on my cell phone due to the size of the pc version.
This was my first itch game I played, ignore the flak Runey, it's your story, your vision, keep it real man!
Just wish I could have seen it through to the end.
Unfortunately this is the best alternative I have available. And just a reminder, without current compression the game would be over 10x it's current size.
My one and only question is who's the artist/what's the source for the Jazzy Jingles Radio audio track? Thanks in advance!
Credits can be found in the info tab on the pause menu.
Had no problems with the game, don't know what everyone else down below in the comments are crying about. I enjoyed it start to finish. Story rich with unique characters and plenty of sex. One of the better harem games, and one that took quite a while to get to the end.
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Things seemed to be getting a little bit heated in the comment section, so to balance that out, I just want us all to take some time to appreciate the best line in the entire freaking game:
"Monkey slut..."
Counter best line (To and then from Moon):
"I bet I could snap your choker with my cock"
"I BET I COULD SNAP YOUR COCK WITH MY ASS"
Well played...
But let's not forget about the android showing off her roasting abilities:
"I find that a little offensive, Master".
Much love Runey. Thank you for the fantastic game! I always keep coming back to check for updates. I think the story is great by the way. Tying things together, building realistic and believable characters who ACTUALLY HAVE AN OPINION on life and not just stay one way the whole way.
I like how the characters are going through life changing experiences and are gaining newfound outlooks. It keeps the game fresh and not stale. Don't listen to the other haters, even if they mask it as being "constructive".
Thank you so much :)
You will NEVER be a great writer until you learn to accept criticism without acting like an angry, horny little child and do some personal reflection.
You are not required to change anything about your writing, but if all you ever do when someone challenges your work is throw a fit, you're always going to be an amateur. Hope this is nothing more than a hobby for you, because it's not going to be a career. Promise you.
Where does so much hate come from? If you do not like the game - you can just go and find any other game with a lot of sex, more simple and less serious. There are like a thousand games of such type. This one is unique.
The only one throwing a fit is you. You don't need to like the story aspects of the game. You can treat it like simple porn all you want. I share the same opinion with you that I tend to skip over the elf story stuff. However, Runey is trying to make a game that stands out from the average porn game, with unique story lines for each character and interesting world building. Based on a poll that Runey held, the vast majority of players enjoy the story elements of the game.
Just because Runey doesn't want to adhere to YOUR suggestions, it does not mean they're unable to accept criticism. This game wouldn't reach the point it's at today if it weren't for all the criticism that players have given it over the years.
Dude ...CHILL! Smoke a fucking doobie or something, man.
Then repeat: It's ...just ...a ...game ...just ...a ...game ......
The MST3K mantra has a problem: it basically tells you to take a work that could potentially be the object of advanced sociopolitical commentary and turn it into me like boobs.
Now, if the original work is at the level of me like boobs, that is fine and dandy. If the original work is trying to spark sociopolitical commentary, however, that is less fine and not quite as dandy.
Not arguing for the OP's position, mind, I'm just saying that you should only use the MST3k mantra if you think that the work is "me like boobs" level .
Or if you think that your interlocutor is...
...
You know what? Nevermind, carry on.
Maybe I have to reload version 0.11 to play again because my device doesn't have enough space and I love this game
Unpopular opinion here:
By last updates, the game "elf history" is becoming quite lame, while the other stories are quite good and can't complain.
The "elf drama/revolution" feels very non-related to the game itself, the game began as a "dating sim" alike game, but by any reason Runey42 made a twist to a drama/fight/politics story which feels very non-related to the hotel original story.
While some people may like the idea, I don't, as mentioned before its personal opinion, likely unpopular feedback but a good intended one.
If you're not interested in the elf stuff, that's fine. But Lin is the first main character you meet, and her first event sets up that you now own a slave, and she's worried who you're going to turn out to be, hoping her luck didn't run out. This has very much always been in the game, the shift is happening in focus. That was in the background, and now it's in the foreground.
Hey, thanks for the response!
I agree, elves been part of the "game topic" just like the "androids", but it felts like some characters and overall history changed way too much at last updates and doesn't fit them too much with previous narrative.
Lin for example, in very short time went from a submissive maid who was okay with "their reality", to a character who's mostly accusing everyone of elfphobes with inner hate. For Nia felts natural as her background is consistent.
As said before, I'm not saying it's a bad idea, but felts like the game is losing the "dating sim" thematic but becoming more like an action visual novel in order to achieve deep immersion on the main topics.
Hope my comment doesn't sound bad, my only intention is to give a constructive feedback :-)
I agree with you. It's not to be rude, only constructive, but the whole story isn't very interesting to me and in particular takes me out of it.
I'd much rather have more of a personal focus on Lin and her life than a wider focus on elves as a whole. That feels like it should be something optional, not the only way to further her story.
You did experience a story about Lin's personal life. That was the first parts of her story until recently. You've grown her into a good cook, she's fairly independent now, she's not so shy and is even the boss of the kitchen, her insecurities have been fixed and she's found the one person she wants to spend the rest of her life with. The only thing she wants now is a child with the MC, which she refuses to do unless that child will be treated equally.
If you don't want a serious story, this game isn't for you.
I was worried you'd respond like this. Your inability to take criticism isn't a good look for you. You don't have to agree, you certainly don't have to change your game for it, but if the best response you can give to my criticism is "if you don't want a serious story, this game isn't for you" about a game that's literally just based on fucking a bunch of women at once, you have something seriously disconnected in your brain.
You are not writing classical literature here, you're writing smut. I'm not criticizing that, I'm playing the smut like everyone else here, but you need some perspective desperately.
Lin was only okay with you being her master because you've been the best master she's ever had. MC treats Lin very equal and helps her with almost anything she needs.
Once Lin fell in love with MC, she said she would like to have a child with him, but she would never want to bring a half elf into this world because they have no rights. This happened quite a while ago, it was in the background because the focus was on her character (learning about her, fixing her, unlocking sex, etc). The slavery aspect of the world is in the foreground now because this is one of the last problems she has to deal with, but it's also one of the hardest. The rest I mentioned above has largely been solved and there's no point in going over the same story points over and over again.
Lin has never accused anyone of being an "elfphobe", I don't know where you're getting this.
Harem Hotel has never been only a dating sim. As it says in the description of this game: "Upgrade your hotel, build friendships with them, follow their stories, and train them."
While it certainly has dating sim themes, and will continue to have them, my goal for this game is more than just meeting a girl, fucking her, marrying her, and seeing the end screen.
Harem Hotel is a lot of things. Thematically it's a fantasy contemporary sci fi. Some events like Ashley's are emotional, some like Nia's are action packed. In the end, what this is, is my story.
I think the problem isn't that you're addressing the whole "slavery" thing, so much as making it a big part of her story. It's more than a little unbelievable that you and Lin are going to change history, not to mention a bit much for the focus of the game: a harem hotel.
I don't mean to be overly critical, but the story with Lin makes me want to approach it less because it gets to be a little overwhelming, when I'd rather just focus on her individual life and not the lives of every single elf in the game and how we can save them.
I mean this is a game where you're basically just getting your rocks off with every grown woman that walks into the hotel, it just seems like the focus should be a little less... revolutionary.
The focus of Harem Hotel has never only been "a hotel full of women you can fuck". That's certainly a part of it, but if you just want a fluffy game about anime women who are a bit too perfect there are plenty of games like that for you.
I have an interest in sociology, geography, politics, mental disorders, and the other themes you see in game. I don't want to make a game only about tits and ass, that's boring.
MC and Lin could never change history, that's in the past. Assuming you mean change Syl'anar, or the world, Lin and MC could never do that alone.
I've responded to this point in another comment, but focusing on her individual life happened a ton already. You will still definitely get to have 1 on 1 time with all of the characters, but there is a story to this game.
If you want tits and ass, go to pornhub.
"The focus of Harem Hotel has never only been a hotel full of women you can fuck."
Oh dear god, you're delusional. It's a fucking porno game and it's named "Harem Hotel", how disconnected from reality are you that you don't see what you're making here?
"If you want tits and ass, go to pornhub."
I said I wanted more of a personal story, but do you actually think what you made here is anything other than a porno game? Really, are you actually this deluded? Take a look at yourself. You didn't use Honey Select, a literal Japanese porno game, as the basis for your own game because it was convenient, you used it because you wanted to have tits and ass in your game.
You know what? I really don't have time for someone this laughably dense. If you want to be taken seriously, you should start by not making porno games. Nothing about your writing convinces me you understand reality, which is fine because that's not why anyone's here (and you know it), but I guess it was silly of me to think you had a brain in that thick skull of yours.
Maybe when you stop jerking off to your own ego and start jerking off to your own game you'll clear your head for a minute, reread what you just said to me and realize how utterly ridiculous of a person you are and make some changes.
Maybe your writing will vastly improve then, too.
It's not this serious. Both sides have said their piece. Lunar, I respect your opinion AND Runey's, however, no one is perfect. If this is Runey's first game, it's a hell of a start. If it isn't, there's still places to go. Neither of you are better than each other. Look everybody involved here is mature myself included and everyone else in this thread. But no offense Lunar, there's more to life than this game. I understand your criticisms and I understand Runey's defense of the game and story, but critiquing somebody for the way they critique your criticism, if that makes sense, isn't the way to go about it. Regardless how everyone here feels we can at least agree that the basis of the game itself is good. If you like the game that's fine if you like the story that's fine. At the bare minimum please at least respect what is trying to be done and the least you can do is tolerate the direction the story is going. Matter of fact, you don't even have to do that. It's great that you're sharing your opinion and as earlier stated both sides of this argument have been voiced I'm not trying to make myself up here more important or knowledgeable in this topic because I guarantee I'm not and I'm not taking anybody's side. I'm just simply saying whether you're for or against the storyline or theme or whatever, at least appreciate the basis of the game. If you're just here for the sex that's fine. If you're not that's cool too. I'm not trying to draw ira from anybody and I have respect for you as a commenter by voicing your opinion in the threat and I have respect for the Creator because this is their effort. I'm not expecting everybody to be kind on the internet to each other because in reality that's impossible. I think there is pretty much everything to be said about this discussion that there can be so maybe it would be in everyone's interest to just take a step back for a minute and you want to talk about it I'm sure there's someone out there that would be willing to talk to you about it. There's a whole discord for discussing this game after all. and look I know I don't normally comment on here and I apologize for this very long reply, but if anybody reading this manages to actually care enough to make it down this far, have a tolerable amount of respect and as said earlier everyone and everything has flaws however there are some situations where going to only pick out the bad things the situation won't work. I'm going to be completely honest Lunar, I agree with some of the things you're saying but implying ego mania and saying someone has a thick skull just because they don't necessarily see completely eye to eye doesn't make either side look like the better option. I'm not trying to hold a United Nations conference here only reason so long is cuz I have a lot to say. I was going to post earlier but I had hoped by now the discussion would fizzle out either one way or the other, but in the end discussions like this are fruitful and critique is a good thing most of the time. But again if you want somebody to accept your criticism with open arms you have to treat them as an equal and not talk down on them every time. It's okay to chide people for things but going out of your way to make someone look dumb doesn't help anybody whether you're in the right or the wrong. I know I have again no place in this because I didn't start this discussion I'm not the Creator and I'm sure as hell probably not going to end it with this but conversation is a lot more fruitful when everyone is treated as equals. Yes this has some things that could be better but I'd imagine relatively speaking we're not too far into the entirety of the story. I'm glad that your voice is being heard for better or worse and I'm sure somebody here is going to either agree or vehemently disagree with one or multiple things that I've said here at the end of the day if we can see eye to eye on at least one thing or if we wind up disagreeing but can be least a tad bit polite, then everyone would be better off. To close this out because I know this is going to be overlooked most likely because of its length, Lunar, it's great that you're so passionate about your side and Runey is defending the work because as a creator of content I'd imagine that whether it's your first project or your 100th project you're still equally as protective. I know there's a lot of things on this thread and this entire page in general that highlight both the good and the bad about this but at the end of the day we can't see what the other person is thinking we can't feel what they're feeling. I'm sorry if that's a dense or stupid thing to say but in all honesty nobody really knows how another person feels and if you're passionate in your criticism, then by all means, be critical but don't be overtly critical to where it feels like you can't find anything good to say. If you're going to defend it then defend it; you can't give everything you've got one way or the other. Everybody can go about their lives myself included and we need not worry because if you want to play keep playing if you don't want to that's fine too. If you want to criticize every update I'm sure you're going to get some flack by the end of the day you're just voicing your opinion on the internet.
As for Runey, I think this game is going really well so far and I'm really sorry that you're receiving hell from people in this thread. And I don't know if it means much to you because pretty much everything good about this game has been said and most of the stuff that people would find to criticize about has been said, but at the end of the day you're a great storyteller with a lot of places to go if you continue to hone your craft and you're obviously great at designing games so seeing those two mesh is incredible especially in this way. As stated above I don't know how far into the "entire story" we are but it's nice to see the engine metaphorically get going and I await the surprises that I'm sure going to be here and things we may already know. Keep being you and I don't know if you've already been told this, but please continue making the game the way you want to make it. It's okay to listen to the fans but I pray that you don't go the route of some other game developers and give pieces of your soul just to listen to the people the play your game. I'll be honest I know I've seen it said here before but I came for the sex stayed for the story and both are equally as important and impactful so far this game is made by you so the end of the day the only person that can truly influence how this game goes direction wise is you. I personally love the way you're taking criticism because you're trying to maintain neutral ground which I don't know you personally so I can't speak to if that's how you are about everything but I understand from a Creator standpoint how you kind of take things like this and it doesn't feel good to be insulted it never does but you should more so take a hell of a lot of pride in the things you've done right and after you prioritize that then look back on what people say could be done differently. Set timer again but you don't really have to listen to anybody on this game if you want to make the game based off only things you like I'll still play it and I'm sure a lot of people will too if you want to listen to us that's cool just keep the aspect of you in it as long as you continue to be a supportive and well-rounded content creator then myself and a lot of other people in this community will continue to support you because I mean this I appreciate everything you do and I'm sorry if this is getting to becoming a cheesy supporting the Creator and backing the origin moment but I feel that people just absolutely dumping on you and your game isn't the way to go and a lot of this disrespect and perceived disrespect is completely unjustified. I'll be the first to tell you I don't normally get involved in Internet discussions whether positive or negative but in this case I had to because I don't want to see anything happen to you or the content that you put out. Because again this may sound cheesy but remember you're human Runey, and your mental well-being is JUST AS important as any direction this story goes. If Lunar wants to criticize they have every right to obviously and I'm not telling you what should or shouldn't be done, but I'm sure you've learned by this and probably other examples that not everybody is always going to have nice things to say and trust me you see on Twitter and discord I'm sure and patreon and here on itch the good far outweighs the bad and I personally would like it to continue that way because I feel like at the root of it all you're kind-hearted human and you're probably putting a lot of your emotions and sentiments into this game to go along with your effort. If I ever met you in public I'd be sure to tell you face to face what a damn good job you've been doing.
From a poll I did a few days ago.
Let me to disagree with you, guys, waltercool and LunarD3ATH. This part of the story is very important. Slavery and principles of slavery were introduced from the very begining. MC for a long time ignored that fact and enjoyed his life as hotel manager. But this cant be ignored for all time. As a result, we have Maria story. Also, Cornwall have a possibility to recall slave ownership from any slaver at any time. Ok, lets imagine that Maria's story doesnt bring any sense to MC mind. What can happen next? Cornwall already have very strong antipathy against MC because of some incidents. Eventualy he will find that MC now own Sylvia. She is a running slave of Cornwall. How do you think what he will do. Easy, Cornwall will recall all slaves from MC: Lin, Sylvia, Nia and even Maria now. Plus, there is Ashley and her DNA never was confirmed for sure... who knows, maybe she is half-elf too. Do you realy think that MC can continue to ignore these possibilities and agree with everything that politicians will bring to him? Will he agree with losing Lin and Maria forever just because Cornwall has decided so? I dont think so.
Slavery problem has been bringed to light and now all main characters must do something with this. And, after all, MC and Lin are not the only people who are fighting against that sistem. Sooner or later there will be more. Revolutions doesnt begin randomly eventualy, someone must begin to do something and then many others will join.
Yes, this game has been created just as a porn game. But after all creator included some very strong story lines and now these lines must be somehow bringed to an logical end. Such logical event is revolution.
P.S. I know that my English is not perfect, so Im sorry for this.
This. Slavery was a core theme from the get-go, and most of the characters we meet are directly involved in it, whether one side or the other. The outcome of potential liberation effects so many main, side, background characters and even us the player, as well as the world the game takes place in.
Just because wandering into the shower one morning and boning whoever's there because you're horny isn't related to slavery, doesn't mean the game is separated from the story.
I can understand the point that waltercool and LunarD3ATH are making, but I still agree with you. The direction the story ended up taking was certainly not something I would've expected at the start, and I can see how some people might be disapponted by that particular storyline getting so much focus in a game like this.
Making a game about a harem hotel, if the interactions with cute girls and sex scenes were all the game had to offer, would get a bit boring after a while so some more emotional and engaging content will be necessary if the game is gonna be as long as it currently is. Lots of great VNs end up including that kind of "surprise plotlines", Lucky Paradox and Once in a lifetime are two that come to mind for example.
And the idea of the revolution being started by someone who's just an immigrant hotel manager is probably the most fascinating part to me, and there are examples in history of social change being accomplished despite the movement being started by "nobodies" so it's not that far-fetched as one might think.
When I first created Harem Hotel, I wasn't sure where this game would go, or even what skills I had. In my mind, before I released v0.1, this was mainly going to be a game about tits and ass. I quickly realized I liked making story though, and realized I was getting a lot of compliments on the story so I decided to focus on that.
If this game were just about interacting with the characters, and the end goal was to impregnate them and marry them, I could have ended this game by now. So I agree that it would get a bit boring. Instead, I'd like to make an interesting somewhat serious story and I'm so happy people are enjoying it, the growth has been insane :)
I'm glad you like that premise!
Every sort of criticism is obviously going to be subjective to some degree, but it seems like a lot of people sometimes forget what "constructive criticism" actually means. It isn't just expressing your opinion in a polite manner, it's explaining WHY you think the way you do.
In a political debate, you can't just calmly claim that your opponent is wrong without providing EVIDENCE for it. Then you have to agree on what the goal of the political issue is and how "success" should be measured, otherwise you'd just be going back and forth. In a book, movie, game and any sort of narrative story, the "goal" of it is to reach what the creator intended, and the "success" is measured through how well that is being delivered to the consumer. If the criticism is "I don't like this kind of content, the game should be different", then that's certainly a fair opinion but it's not constructive. However, saying "If this is what you want out of the story, then maybe this narrative structure, this pacing, this scene or this way of doing it wasn't the best, and here's why it doesn't work!"
You need a perimeter from which to measure the the success of the story, and that perimeter should always be what the creator wanted out of it. You may not like what that vision was, and that's fine.
Let's take a different criticism. "I feel like this new update was a bit too heavily focused on the serious aspects of the story, and it felt like it could've done better with a little bit more lighthearted content to balance out the emotional scenes. It would give the player some time to take in what they just read and get them mentally ready for the next heavy parts." I may not actually agree with that particular criticism myself, but it's articulated in such a way that it takes what the point of the entire work is and what the writer wants and gives a suggestion on how that goal could've been reached more effectively.
To sum it up, every criticism is going to be somewhat subjective but the point of CONSTRUCTIVE criticism is to make is as LEAST subjective as possible, by everyone agreeing on certain guidelines and measurements from which to approach it.
100% agree on that, and reason why I made my feedback.
Never said it was a wrong or bad decision. That strategy may work for some people, it may not for others.
I just gave an opinion, as a player. For the developer is always nice to have feedback if what you are doing is good or not for users.
My intention isn't to generate a whole debate, blame the developer or anything like that.
I appreciate the feedback, and I really appreciate you being coherent and honest. (Apologies for the other guy, I probably shouldn't have responded to him in the first place) As you could probably tell, your opinion was not very popular indeed, haha. (I didn't downvote you)
Lin is only one character though, the story isn't about an elvish revolution specifically. There's been 3 in the past, I could have covered one of those if that were the case.
I don't want to blatantly spoil something as big as the end goal yet since this game is still a work in progress, but you may be able to guess. This world oppresses all sorts of people, not just elves or half elves.
Elves are a big part of this game though, I won't lie. And the land of Syl'anar. It's sort of this fantasy continent on an otherwise earth-like planet. I thought I could do some fun things with that while being inspired by the real world.
Just as an idea, the shift in tone might be less jarring if the Lin, Savior of Elfkind storyline were locked behind the current Maria sucker punch storyline. It's not perfect, but it does provide a "well, yeah, they *would* try to do something after that". Though I don't know if would interfere with other things you have planned... On the plus side, it shouldn't break save compatibility.
I have been told that most people don't seem to find it quite as abrupt a shift as I did, however, so... YMMV.
Exactly this!
MC enjoys fixing these broken girls and helping them through their life. Most issues that the first floor cast had in their personal lives has been fixed, except a major common thread they all have. That being the horrible world they live in. The system hurts each of them in one way or another, and this isn't something they can fix individually or even with just MC's help. Instead they need to group up and make change.
This serious part of the game is what I enjoy in your game the most. There is not just "a hotel full of dolls for sex". Every girl have her background, her story and heavy problems. Every girl diceded to stay in hotel because of very serious reasons. And, ofcourse, when I play I can associate myself with MC only because he realy cares about these girls and trying to help them in any possible way, trying to give them hope for the future and protect them, he took a full responsibility about those, who decided to stay in his hotel... even elfs who kidnaped him - they asked MC for help and this was enough for him to help. "How many laws I already broke?!" he asks... and still he is ready to do even more.
Thank you again for this amazing story! This is realy a shame that I cant support you with money. I want, but I cant... But still, Im looking forward for future updates to enjoy the story you will create :)
It's okay to disagree, no worries. I just gave an opinion, never intended to make my opinion as statement.
My critic was related about how the game dynamics changed on last updates from a "sim date" relationship game, into a world-issue/conflict, which sounds more like an action-based history. Assaulting, murdering or overall violence part doesn't make much sense if you consider the whole Player personality, who is clearly not a conflictive guy.
And I must disagree with you on the porn part. Not everyone plays date sim NSFW games for just "porn part". Otherwise we wouldn't be discussing about the "history part" lol.
It's okay if the dev wants this way, it's just a feedback. Zero intentions to start a blame war or anything else. If I'm playing a nice game, it's fair as users to provide a feedback when you consider something is feels off.
This through and through. I read through and understand where everyone is coming from
Ofcourse I dont blame you for your opinion. Everyone is free to tell what he wants... wtf, we are here on this site because we are perverts who masking theyr real names and looks to be free in our opinions :D
Sorry if I made you feel bad, this wasnt my goal.
Man i cant describe how much i like this project the history and the Personality of the characters and the development are amusing to see, there are some things here and there i wish were different but its amazing none less.
Keep up the good work.
obs:. i love Kate <3
Thank you!
Yooo this game good :P
dose any one know what to tell kate at the college when she ask what she can help you with
the four letters from the end of each riddle set
Hello, thank you very much for this game! It is my top 1 for sure!
I have some doubts:
1) I've finished all the stories and activated the Violet code. Her story will advance somehow on the next updates, or it is better for me to continue using an older save, before I activated her?
2) Android character will return only on the next update? Or she will appear again on the actual one?
Thank you very much!!
She's an unofficial character and will never receive more content.
You'll be able to interact with Android in the next update.
What's the violet code? I finished all the stories but I don't know what that is
also will the mcu take over the world like with an android army because android can control all the androids
Hi! First off, I wanted to say how much I love this game. I expected some simple dating simulator vn, but it turned out to be so much more! Anyway, I'm having trouble progressing further. How do I raise Maria's friendship above 30 and android's above 31?
Complete the other character's stories.
It says that I have every misc event completed but I am at 0/5 for Lucia. Anyone have any tips to get those
I have the same quetion
The Lucy events are also Kali events, so you need to enable "those" events. Truestory bro.
Question about android when you said unpack tool where exactly do you mean I don't use my android often do I need rename zip. to rar?
You can't rename a rar to zip to because they are coded differently.
I accidentally deleted all images in v12, is there any way I can download them?
You click the download button on this page.
Will there be an android version for v0.12?
Yea will there be?🤨
Follow the instructions I posted.
Runey42 said he can't compile to Android any without drastically reducing the quality of the images.
Here are the instructions he posted updated with images and links by me:
Good news, you've been able to play on Android since v0.12 launched.
i cant find my save file in the android to carry it over would you know specifically where to look?
Sorry to ask a stupid question, where does the game store its save files? I need to upgrade my hard disk and I don't want to lose all my save files.
It's in a subfolder under game called saves:
I can't download because It says a zip file wasn't attached, but looks like a really great game from the over view. Any help is appreciated ^^
You got to download it using your browser because of a bug in the launcher.
Thanks friend ^^
I followed the instructions correctly but it's said not supported
The 2 moons alignment event would be the perfect time to have a hot scene with Sylvia😁
That 2 moons merging thing sounds cool is that going to happen in this update?
Runey, this is an amazing game, and a great update! I may or may-not have stayed up until I 100%'ed...
Question tho, are there plans in the future to be able to revisit moon's room?
How do you slow down the progression of the day to play longer for that day?
Also, Sylvia is now a maid in my kitchen. Did I choose the slave route by mistake or is this really part of the love route?
Thanks.
Sylvia becomes the afternoon maid on both routes, but one is a maid outfit (love), other is naked apron (slave).
Thanks for the info. I guess I did choose the love route since she has a full maids outfit on.